“I asked myself, do I actually want to climb Denali or do I just want to be the person who can tell the world I'm the guy that climbed Denali? And I realized I don't actually want to do that. It took me a long time to wrestle with, because that was an ego decision, not something I actually wanted to do.”

And I told myself, by the time I'm 40, I'm going to climb Denali. And I decided, like, hey, this is the year I'm going to do it. I have the time. It is a big deal. But I actually looked into what is the actual day-to-day life of a person that's climbing Denali. Like, what does this look like? And the reality is, you're carrying 150 pounds on your back, including a sled. You're hiking 10 hours a day. You get to your tent. It's going to be sub-zero the entire time. You're going to get to your tent. You're going to spend an hour and a half digging a place to put your tent. And then you're going to melt water for two hours. And then you're going to go to bed. You're going to likely get stuck in your tent for a week at a time with blizzards. There's a 50% success rate. It costs, it's going to cost me about $20,000 or $25,000. And it's the deadliest year this year in the past quarter of history. And I asked myself, do I actually want to climb Denali or do I just want to be the person to be able to tell the world I'm the guy that climbed Denali? And I realized I don't actually want to do…