“Instead of celebrating machines and technology, which is the new religion of people, I'm afraid, we should be celebrating the human brain that creates these things. It would shift our whole focus around if we started feeling a sense of wonder about who we are and not about these things that other people are creating for us, being active with our minds instead of passively consuming things.”

Well, you know, sometimes you can get kind of depressed about humanity, particularly now.

Sure.

to me kind of a meta level of sublime that you can get to when you contemplate how much work went into the science understanding and communicating and capturing this small scientific fact we have. Where I think about, like, I know, how long did you work on Law of the Sublime? Seven years. So, do…

Yeah, yeah. What I think of is like, is like the internet. So when I wrote about the internet as being this kind of infinite space, and I think we can all remember if we're old enough, the early 2000s where there was this sense of excitement about the internet. It was this vast, it was like the far…

favorite part of the book was the stuff on the pagan sublime: the woman going to the temple, being inducted into the mysteries. Yeah, and just because I think, like even watching this new movie, this new version of the Odyssey, the main gripe I would have with Christopher Nolan is that like…