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AC Andrew Chan On My Food Job Rocks!

“Open source has caught up a lot, which leads me to believe this is going to be a hardware battle, not a software battle. I think there's probably a place for an OpenAI and an Anthropic in that world. However, I've come to the conclusion that Apple will be the big winner here, because their hardware is already the most advanced, especially for on-device. My MacBook runs most of your good open-source models. As those models get better and cheaper, Apple is incredibly well positioned to beat everyone.”

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“Open source has caught up a lot, which leads me to believe this is going to be a hardware battle, not a software battle. I think there's probably a place for an OpenAI and an Anthropic in that world. However, I've come to the conclusion that Apple will be the big winner here, because their hardware is already the most advanced, especially for on-device. My MacBook runs most of your good open-source models. As those models get better and cheaper, Apple is incredibly well positioned to beat everyone.” — Andrew Chan, My Food Job Rocks!

Context

Continuing his answer on AI, Andrew explains why he thinks strong open-source models shift the advantage to hardware makers, and to Apple in particular.

Transcript

My Food Job Rocks! Around 49:37 into the episode
Andrew Chan

Chinese, even the Facebook, like meta LLMs are performing a lot better these days.

Adam Yee

Okay.

Andrew Chan

Which leads me to believe this is going to be a hardware battle, not a software battle. I think there's probably a place for an OpenAI and an Anthropic in that world. However, I've come to the new conclusion that I think Apple will be the big winner here because their hardware is already the most advanced, especially for on-device. I mean, my MacBook runs most of your good open source models. And as those models get better with smaller context windows and cheaper, Apple, and as their hardware increases in position too, they're incredibly well positioned to beat everyone. So that's my hardware guy, too. Yeah, I do a lot. I do a lot more hardware. I don't do a lot of like LLM-based AI. I don't think I do anything that you would call a rapper in any capacity. I do think data will be incredibly important in the next 10 years. I continue to have that belief, proprietary data to do traditional AI. And that was always my belief when I set out to build the firm is that the LLM AI wave catalyzes the adoption of a bunch of AI technologies that we really should have adopted 10 years ago, but didn't.

Adam Yee

You know, that's the beauty of, I think, technology catalysts is that you, it just happens. Everything gets uplifted in a sense, right? So I think there's not that bad anymore.

Andrew Chan

Yeah.

Adam Yee

Yeah. I look a lot of freezing technology and I always find the cold chain really interesting as a technology. And now we got there. Cold

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