“A utility lobbyist told me when I entered Congress: Pete, you've got to remember, we're not in the business of selling electricity. That's a loss leader. We're in the business of building stuff. You want us to build clean? Fine. You want us to build dirty? Fine. We just want to build stuff.”

I'll just say I agree with everything Lena just said. I will add a few things. One, this is really about affordability. And as someone who advocates very hard for a transition to clean, particularly clean electricity, to power our climate progress in so many sectors, we need to do that transition to clean in a way that is also maximizing why clean is affordable. I've worked with a lot of utilities and their incentive structure, and they are incentivized. To yes, build whatever. I had a first encounter when I entered the Congress with the utility lobbyists said that, Pete, you got to remember, we're not in the business of selling electricity. That's a loss leader. We're in the business of building stuff. You want us to build clean? Fine. You want us to build dirty? Fine. We just want to build stuff. But they don't want to build it in the cheapest way. And I think parts of what we have are seizing in a moment right here is where both parties agree, whatever the utilities build, it should be the cost-effective thing. I think the reconductoring requirements and the great…