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“An engineer can easily justify a $100,000 token budget a year if they're making $200,000, $300,000, $400,000 in their comp package. Jensen's floated like a one-to-one ratio. And that doesn't seem that crazy for certain roles. Much harder to justify for a lawyer right now.”

TBPN · Startups & Venture · November 2026

“An engineer can easily justify a $100,000 token budget a year if they're making $200,000, $300,000, $400,000 in their comp package. Jensen's floated like a one-to-one ratio. And that doesn't seem that crazy for certain roles. Much harder to justify for a lawyer right now.” — John Coogan, TBPN

Context

During a day when AI stocks sank, the hosts discussed investor worry about 'what comes after AI coding' for lab revenue. Coogan explains where large per-person AI spend makes sense today and where it doesn't yet.

Transcript

TBPN Around 09:35 into the episode
John Coogan

…call them wrapper companies, but like the companies that are in AI enablement, AI diffusion, AI for law, AI for finance, these types of companies, you add up all of that. Even if the labs were able to just immediately get that revenue, it doesn't move the needle that much. And so the next

Jordi Hays

they are getting a lot of the revenue. Oh,

John Coogan

yeah, already they're getting a ton of revenue. But what I'm saying is, like, an engineer can easily justify $100,000 token budget a year if they're making $200,000, $300,000, $400,000 in their comp package. Jensen's floated like a one-to-one ratio. And that doesn't seem that crazy for certain roles. Much harder to justify for a lawyer right now. I think

Jordi Hays

he floated more aggressively.

John Coogan

Yeah. But it's that right now, everyone who has a marketer on their team, everyone who has an in-house counsel, everyone who has a CFO, they would all love to be able to go to them and say, yeah, your budget for AI is $100,000 a year. Go spend it. And let's make sure the ROI is there. But we're…

Jordi Hays

Yeah.

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