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JH Jack Herrington Jack Herrington Software engineer and YouTuber known for frontend and full-stack development content, ranging from beginner tutorials to deep technical dives.

“I've essentially been through the great reset at this point. Everybody is back at the starting point again. I see a lot of people talk about having traditional coding interviews, with no coding agent, just prove your skill at coding. I don't think anybody wants that anymore. They want to see how you handle your horde. Everybody at this point is going to have a horde of agents behind them, and how well you can manage the horde to do your bidding is the new skill in 2026 and beyond.”

Front-End Fire · Hands-On Engineering Podcasts · November 2026

“I've essentially been through the great reset at this point. Everybody is back at the starting point again. I see a lot of people talk about having traditional coding interviews, with no coding agent, just prove your skill at coding. I don't think anybody wants that anymore. They want to see how you handle your horde. Everybody at this point is going to have a horde of agents behind them, and how well you can manage the horde to do your bidding is the new skill in 2026 and beyond.” — Jack Herrington, Front-End Fire

Context

The hosts were discussing how to hire developers now that AI is part of the job. Herrington argues the thing to test in interviews is no longer coding by hand but how well someone directs agents.

Transcript

Front-End Fire Around 06:19 into the episode
TJ VanToll

That's a really good point. I mean, we talk about juniors, but I mean, what do we do and do interview senior people nowadays? Exactly. We're still at the

Paige Niedringhaus

entire playing field

Jack Herrington

has flipped. How does that, you know, like I was thinking about this morning, I've essentially been through like the great reset at this point. Like everybody is back in, you know, kind of whatever, you know, the starting point again. And what's interesting to me is I see a lot of people talk. About, like, what about having coding interviews that are traditional, like just straight up coding interviews? Like, you don't even use a coding agent, just kind of prove your skill at coding or something like that. You're kind of trying that. And I don't think anybody wants that anymore. Like, they want to see how you handle your horde, right? Everybody, right, at this point is going to have a horde of agents behind them. And how well you can manage the horde to do your bidding for you is the new skill in 2026 and beyond.

Paige Niedringhaus

Yeah. What you're suggesting is what we all used to complain about: where you're asked to whiteboard or write on a Google Doc some code that compiles and works and is syntactically correct, but you would never write it that way with VS Code. It would be auto formatting, it would be suggesting…

Jack Herrington

And we're going to get to a point here where it's actively bad to not use an agent. Like, I think we're already there. Yeah. I did an experiment where I took some free AI code from 2020 that I thought was really good at the time. And I was very happy with it. It was up to the coding standards of…

Paige Niedringhaus

well and i can do you one better so at the company that i work for allspice we have been hiring developers and we're hiring we're not really hiring juniors unfortunately we're we're a startup so we need people who are experienced people who have done this for a while but we so we're hiring i would…

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