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JD John David Rhodes On In Our Time (BBC)

“If anyone heard Rosebud, it would be that nurse. But the film offers evidence of the nurse coming in after that word's already been uttered. So it doesn't really explain how we even know that this was his last word. The whole thing hinges on a kind of impossibility. … By knowing what Rosebud is, we kind of don't know anything.”

In Our Time (BBC) · Ideas & Essays · November 2026

“If anyone heard Rosebud, it would be that nurse. But the film offers evidence of the nurse coming in after that word's already been uttered. So it doesn't really explain how we even know that this was his last word. The whole thing hinges on a kind of impossibility. … By knowing what Rosebud is, we kind of don't know anything.” — John David Rhodes, In Our Time (BBC)

Context

In the bonus segment, the panel discusses Citizen Kane's famous last word. Rhodes points out a logical hole at the centre of the film's mystery.

Transcript

In Our Time (BBC) Around 45:49 into the episode
Speaker 3

When it's too late. When it's too late. Great melodrama moment.

Speaker 1

It is a melodrama, too. It's a deconstructed melodrama.

Speaker 4

I mean, it's spoken to. The thing that I think is funny is that if anyone heard Rosebud, it would be that nurse. But it seems like the nurse is coming in. I mean, unless, you know, it's sort of like who that word is spoken to us more than it's spoken to anyone. And actually, part of the whole conceit of the film is that someone would have ever heard this. But if you actually, what the film offers us evidence of is actually the nurse coming in after that word's already been uttered. So if it doesn't really quite explain how we even know that this was his last word, so the whole thing hinges on a kind of impossibility.

Speaker 3

Yeah, and it's a close-up of the male. So it is actually. Yeah,

Speaker 4

it's just to us. So we want to know. And then we do, funnily enough, we get to know, but by knowing what Rosebud is, we kind of don't know anything. I mean, that's the other thing, I think, is just the film ends and begins in the same way. So it's, I think we have to see it as a chiasmus. And I was…

Speaker 2

I think our producer's lying to burst through the door.

Speaker names come from our own diarization. The position is estimated from where the line sits in the episode.

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