“Physics is badly overrated. There's this idea. Oh, we figure out the fundamental equation of the universe. We have figured out the universe. It's bullshit. We haven't figured out anything. It's like, oh, if I learn the basic rule of chess, I figure out playing chess. No, you haven't at all.”

this is what you said at the beginning. You introduced by saying this, this is a sort of fundamental basic. Well, I would respond to that by saying that this idea that the physical level, it's a fundamental level on which everything else sort of supervenes, to use the physical word. How should I put it? It's not actually wrong, but it's a silly thing to say. In the following sense, that's my preferred way of putting it. Suppose you and I want to learn playing chess. Okay. Now, chess is based on some basic rules. The king moves one step, the queen marice, and so on. Once you have these rules, all possible chess games are fixed. All possible probabilities of which movies better, which move is worse are fixed. There's nothing else to say about chess. Okay. So why there are books and books about chess? Everything is in the rules. There's nothing else relevant about chess and that. Well, that's obviously a stupid thing to say, right? Because I could learn very well the basic moves of chess. I can be capable of telling them, I mean, a seven-year-old kid can do that. And yet be a…