“That's why I really like this term confidence man, because it gets the whole issue of a con, but it's also this idea of how do you perpetuate a con, it's with confidence. You say things that are absolutely outrageous. Full self-driving is a solved problem, or we're going to be on Mars next year. He says it with such confidence.”

Well, weirdly, it didn't happen until very late. And I would say it was the Justine Musk interview. I mean, the Ashley St. Clair interview is as powerful as it is, and it is powerful, and it gives you a front row seat to the election of 2024. The Justine Musk interview gave me insights into his personality that were very powerful in both understanding him as a person, but also understanding some of what he did thematically. And because I asked her, and this answer is not in the film, but it helped to guide me. What was it that attracted you about him back in college? They met in college in Canada. And she said it was his enormous confidence. And then the other thing she said that's powerful that's in the film is that I learned about gaslighting from Elon Musk. That gaslighting thing, the idea of trying to convince somebody that the truth is other than what it is, and to suggest that you're crazy if you don't go along, is a super important insight into who Elon is. And the confidence, of course, is what allows that to happen. That's why I really like this term confidence man, because it gets the whole issue of a…