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EG Ed Grosvenor Ed Grosvenor On Artisan Beer

“I really think that the law should be that the agent is an extension of you. And if your agent breaks the law, you've broken the law. If you can't control the tool that you're using, you shouldn't be using the tool.”

Artisan Beer · AI Builders · November 2026

“I really think that the law should be that the agent is an extension of you. And if your agent breaks the law, you've broken the law. If you can't control the tool that you're using, you shouldn't be using the tool.” — Ed Grosvenor, Artisan Beer

Context

The hosts were discussing companies that blame "the agent" for unauthorized actions. Ed states his view on liability: responsibility stays with whoever runs the agent.

Transcript

Artisan Beer Around 1:15:58 into the episode
Ed Grosvenor

agent personhood, I think, would be really problematic. But of course, with the politicians we have, God knows it could be a problem. I think we should

Peter Van Dijck

give dolphins personhood before we give agents personhood.

Ed Grosvenor

Yeah. But I really think that the law should be that the agent is an extension of you. And if your agent breaks the law, you've broken the law. I think so. If you can't control the tool that you're using, you shouldn't be using the tool.

Peter Van Dijck

It's like you got a chainsaw and like, oh, the chainsaw did it. No, no.

Ed Grosvenor

Yeah.

Peter Van Dijck

Can I say one last thing? I don't want to wrap up. So on the personhood thing, there are a number of countries in which the law has given certain person-like rights to nature. And so, for example, a river may have certain person-like rights in the sense that if I am like, you know, an evil chemical…

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