“I think a lot of the best researchers in the world want to work for somebody who's kind of like them. And, you know, no offense, but Sam's more of like a business person.”

…way it just kind of like came out of the Anthropic Labs, it just shows you not only the level of technical talent they had there, but also kind of the creativity and understanding how to take a great technology and meet the market. And some of those things were starting to become obvious early on.

Do you know, maybe it's hard to tell, but do you know what it was that made all the best technical talent want to go work with Dario at Anthropic? Like, did he say a specific line or like, was it, was there just some kind of a culture there that attracted people? Like, do you know what it was?

I always have seen him like a deal guy almost. Like I see him as like a good deal maker, which he does. He's done amazing. Exactly.

And that's his superpower. And Dario's is building amazing technology and recruiting amazing researchers. So I think it was that kind of felt like he was more like them and the vision he had and wanting to be part of that vision. I also think Anthropic's always had a tremendous culture and a low…

So then, in terms of how you did this SPV, because I think it's probably interesting to people. I think your first