“There was almost this wild west approach where there was land speculation. Slightly less ethical developers were trying to secure bundles of land that they would package up and potentially sell off to a developer at some point. I think there was this misconception that NDAs were necessary so that there wasn't opposition, whereas an NDA immediately for me raises a red flag, because why do I need to keep this a secret?”

…a question about something, I'm pretty darn sure most of my neighbors have got the same question because ultimately we are all farmers. Certainly these agreements are being done in a pre-competitive phase. It's not like me getting a turbine stops someone else from getting a turbine. Well, that's

…to be respected and so it's a private conversation we don't want to tell other people or it's like a land grab kind of thing like well i've got this farm and like is it competitive on their part that they're trying to sort of grab the area i'm just interested in the drivers from their perspective

interesting let's talk about that commerciality a little bit tell me about some of the risks you were managing for and the benefits that you see from an economic perspective and maybe otherwise

yeah okay look there's a lot of risks and they can be risks from concern around water runoff around lay down pads through to concerns around decommissioning in 35 years so that's where it becomes really difficult because it's kind of like that being in the shearing shed and trying to think of a…

fascinating and i should say that you mentioned being an independent consultant so you've been through and are going through this in your own farm with the landowner collective but then because of this experience you've also been asked to help others it's great because your experience ranges across…