“There's a very good argument, actually, to say that if you can run a system on variable renewables that have intermittency, that's a security feature, not a flaw, because it forces you to think about backup and redundancy and how you ride through outages, because you expect them and you model them. What you don't expect and you can't model is geopolitical crises like a war in Iran.”

…business strategy. But really what they're talking about is price security, is economic insulation from price shocks, which is important, but it's not the sort of physical, very technical resilience that we're talking about here. And that conversation is almost completely absent, it seems. So,

…the so-called Dunkelflauter, the dark doldrums situations, which I try to deal with by saying, well, we just keep, you know, we just keep fossil backup. But I haven't had those. I haven't been leading those conversations about, well, energy security is a lot more than that until quite recently.

I really like this thinking. It reminds me of something that I heard about one of the big infrastructure providers for the internet. I can't remember whether it was Netflix or whether it was Amazon Web Services or somebody, but it was somebody like that that was running a lot of servers. And to…

There are some incredible memories, as you rightly say. We haven't talked about Chernobyl. I think you've got an episode on that coming out. So maybe let's not talk too much about it. But that was an incredible experience. There is nowhere else like it anywhere on the planet. And it has such…

The visit to Musafia.