“But now that I understand how to build with agents, it's completely shifted what I think about HubSpot. … I think it's a terrible platform.”

Laravel Podcast · Laravel Ecosystem · September 2026

A marketer, not a developer, who used to love HubSpot because it let her build without waiting on engineers. Now she builds her own tools with coding agents and has written about how that ruined HubSpot for her.

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Matt Stauffer

Developers to do anything. Yeah.

Sam Sappenfield

Exactly. So that feels really empowering. It's difficult to wait. For me, I like to just, you know, build stuff. So HubSpot was always that for me.

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But now that I understand how to build with agents, it's completely shifted what I think about HubSpot. I think it's a t well, sorry. I no, I mean, I was gonna say no shade to HubSpot was total shade to HubSpot. I th yeah. I think it's a terrible platform.

Matt Stauffer

It kinda is shade, yeah. Yeah.

Sam Sappenfield

and the reason being is because I I tend to lean towards going to companies or startups where

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the field is green. So I

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