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TC Tarun Chitra Tarun Chitra Founder and CEO of Gauntlet, a risk modeling and optimization platform for DeFi protocols, and managing partner at Robot Ventures.

“I actually think closed source is actually more unsafe in the long run because a, you can reverse engineer any closed source binary now like super easily, b, it's actually very hard to detect if someone has exploited or is a man in the middle or like sitting in your closed source stack. There's like no sunlight…”

Unchained · Crypto & Web3 · October 2026

“I actually think closed source is actually more unsafe in the long run because a, you can reverse engineer any closed source binary now like super easily, b, it's actually very hard to detect if someone has exploited or is a man in the middle or like sitting in your closed source stack. There's like no sunlight…” — Tarun Chitra, Unchained

After a wave of security vulnerabilities, a co-host has been arguing that AI makes open source too easy to attack. Chitra takes the opposite view: exploits in open code are spotted and shared quickly, while a breach of a closed system can stay secret for a long time.

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Unchained Around 15:49 into the episode
Robert Leshner

rob okay taroon yeah

Rob Hadick

he's trying to help me out he can see me yeah shaking over here no

Tarun Chitra

i i think the more interesting thing here right is like everyone in crypto had to deal with this in february and march of this year and i think people have spent a lot of time on like live threat detection security posturing figuring out sandboxes all this shit that all these sf people were like oh we don't need that and then now all of a sudden they're like oh we need that and they're trying to buy crypto auditors and stuff like that because like i think crypto people were ironically ahead on like being prepared but probably for a bad reason that they dealt with the vulnerabilities but also it's like their security practices are in some ways a lot stronger like i think one of the more interesting things hasib's not here so i can dunk on him hasib loves always saying this open source is dead because of ai thing right like oh it's like whatever like it's like the most hackable everyone's just going to go after you it's over everyone's going to want closed source i actually take the opposite tack i actually think closed source is actually more unsafe in the long run because a you can reverse…

Rob Hadick

didn't it start didn't they find it on august 11th too and it took yeah

Tarun Chitra

exactly exactly exactly it's sort of there's like also some weird stuff around disclosure stuff in the closed source land yeah um okay

Tom Schmidt

this is like the things that we see you don't think about all the things that you you don't see you know when things were disclosed things that weren't this obviously responsible disclosure too so i actually think this is almost more like um you know you think of what was a d5 exploit in 2018 it…

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