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Michael Kitces

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Michael Kitces hosts and writes Financial Advisor Success , hosts Kitces and Carl - Real Talk for Real Financial Advisors , writes Retirement Answer Man and writes The Efficient Advisor: Tactical Business Advice for Financial Planners . They have also been a guest on The Perfect RIA (5 times) , The Long View (3 times) , The Diamond Podcast for Financial Advisors (3 times) , Talking Wealth (2 times) , The Elite Financial Advisor Podcast With Sten Morgan (2 times) , Capital Ideas podcast , Bogleheads On Investing Podcast , Financial Advisor Technician , Big Picture Retirement® , New Planner Podcast , WealthTech Today , The Stacking Benjamins Show , Enterprising Investor , ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast , Animal Spirits Podcast , Barron's Advisor , Managing Your Practice , The Rational Reminder Podcast and Invest Like the Best (Patrick O'Shaughnessy) .

Recently: “Value-Based Pricing for Financial Planning And Charging As Much As The Market Will Bear: Kitces & Carl Ep 202” on Kitces and Carl - Real Talk for Real Financial Advisors (October 2026); “Ep 513: The Path From (Unpaid) Intern To CEO Of A $3.4 Billion Advisory Firm with Neela Hummel” on Financial Advisor Success (October 2026); “Ep 512: Winning Clients And Moving 'Upmarket' By Being Confident In Telling Your Value Story with Chris Smith” on Financial Advisor Success (October 2026); “When Keeping Your Options Open Is Riskier Than Making A Commitment: Kitces & Carl Ep 201” on Kitces and Carl - Real Talk for Real Financial Advisors (October 2026); “Ep 511: Outsourcing And Managing Client Headcount To Stay Lean As A Two-Founder, $150M Firm with Ashlee deSteiger” on Financial Advisor Success (October 2026); “Ep 510: Creating Effective Discovery Meetings To Convert 100% Of (High-Value) Prospects Into Clients with Michael Yoder” on Financial Advisor Success (October 2026).

What They Said

“I just got a prospect. It's by far the biggest one I've ever had. And I just made up one or two new breakpoints on my schedule that didn't even exist before because I took out my current fee schedule and I did the math on what the client would pay. And I felt so mortified that the client would pay that much money that I just immediately started reducing what my fee is going to be with new breakpoints. I haven't even talked to them about it.” — Michael Kitces, Kitces and Carl - Real Talk for Real Financial Advisors

Kitces confessing to the habit he and Carl Richards were criticizing in financial advisors: capping fees before any client objects. His point is that advisors negotiate against themselves and never give a big client the chance to say the fee is fair.

Kitces and Carl - Real Talk for Real Financial Advisors · 2026-10-29 Permalink → Listen →
Kitces and Carl - Real Talk for Real Financial Advisors Around 14:15 into the episode
Michael Kitces

…Yes, this is a thing you can optimize, but I'm more, I know, I'm, I'm, I'm more fascinated about the sentiment of anti-optimizing, right? Which is no, we're going to have a fee cap. If a client says it's more valuable, I will deny them the ability to pay me that much money. I mean, seriously,

Carl Richards

I love this. It's a great conversation because I, yeah, we

Michael Kitces

or for those of us who maybe don't do a cap, but we have some version of it. Uh, I just got a right, how many people have some version of this? I just got a prospect. It's by far the biggest one I've ever had. And I just made up one or two new breakpoints on my schedule that didn't even exist before because I took out my current fee schedule and I did the math on what the client would pay. And I felt so mortified that the client would pay that much money that I just immediately started reducing what my fee is going to be with new breakpoints. I haven't even talked to them about it. They haven't even told me they don't like it. They might have even looked at my fee schedule, already figured this out and called me anyways because it's not a blocking point for them. But I have voluntarily taken steps to reduce what this person would pay before they even have the opportunity to say, I believe you are that valuable and I am quite happy to pay you that and more.

Carl Richards

Yeah, I love this because like, yeah, I know it seems, I don't know if it's increasing in frequency, but it does seem like I've been told by more people just in passing, like min and max fees, right? Like we've got a minimum, we've got a maximum. Yeah. And I've always wondered about that maximum…

Michael Kitces

or I feel like it's going to make more profits, right? I mean, I guess there's two verses. You know, it's going to be a more profitable relationship than I need because I've got enough. Yeah, it's going to be a more profitable relationship than I think is morally acceptable.

Carl Richards

Okay, so morally acceptable, let's get to that one in a minute. I do, I did one time. I remember I developed at least some framework for me. I had to fit it in a graph, and it had to be on a Sharpie and cardstock. And all it was was what I could charge. And then, you know, you know, it was just a…

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