Melissa Kearney

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Economist who studies family structure, child outcomes, inequality and fertility. Professor of economics at the University of Notre Dame, director of the Aspen Economic Strategy Group and a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Author of The Two-Parent Privilege. Appears on The Smerconish Podcast, Freakonomics Radio, Wall Street Week, Trumponomics and You Might Be Right, discussing falling birth rates and the economics of two-parent households.

Where to Find Them

Melissa Kearney writes The Smerconish Podcast and writes Book Club with Michael Smerconish . They have also been a guest on Wall Street Week (8 times) , Freakonomics Radio (2 times) , Trumponomics , The David Lin Report and You Might Be Right .

Recently: “695. Can the U.S. Close Its Fertility Gap?” on Freakonomics Radio (November 2026); “Today's Poll Question: Is America’s record low fertility rate a problem?” on The Smerconish Podcast (April 2026); “Melissa S. Kearney: "The Two-Parent Privilege"” on Book Club with Michael Smerconish (April 2026); “Why Is The Population Collapsing? Will Economy Survive? Economist Melissa Kearney Answers” on The David Lin Report (July 2024); “Bloomberg Wall Street Week - July 12th, 2024” on Wall Street Week (July 2024); “There are not enough babies” on The Smerconish Podcast (May 2024).

What They Said

Dubner asked Kearney for examples of intensive parenting that might be counterproductive. She picks travel sports as the clearest case of how the daily cost of raising kids has gone up for people deciding whether to have them.

Freakonomics Radio · 2026-11-13 Permalink → Listen →
Freakonomics Radio Around 25:03 into the episode
Melissa Kearney

…structures in the workplace where people can more readily combine parenting and their kids' schedules will be super helpful. Then, on the other side, of course, is how do we ratchet down the intensity of parenting? I think most people would agree that a lot of it is very counterproductive. Give

Stephen Dubner

me some examples of what you think people might argue is counterproductive.

Melissa Kearney

An obvious example is travel sports. Basically, the whole travel sports industry has obliterated rec sports. If your kid's 12 and likes playing baseball, there's not really the active town rec sports where they play on Friday nights anymore. You got to sign up for one of these travel leagues and then, you know, travel all over. And it's very expensive and it's very time consuming. And so then, when you're choosing that against the other things you might do with your time that really weren't available or socially accessible to previous cohorts, it's not hard to see that people are making different decisions. A friend of mine who doesn't have kids, and she'll be like, Melissa, why would I want to have kids? You spend all your weekends at like soccer or hockey tournaments, and I'm like going out for brunch and going to Pilates, right?

Stephen Dubner

And what do you say to her?

Melissa Kearney

Nothing. I grant that she looks better and she's less tired.

Lyman Stone

I think this is the blueberry problem.

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