Derrick Reimer

Things Derrick Says on Podcasts

Software founder and developer behind SavvyCal, a scheduling app, based in Minneapolis. Appears on Startups For the Rest of Us, UI Breakfast, Indie Hackers Podcast and Thinking Elixir Podcast, and has a long run of episodes on The Art of Product.

Where to Find Them

Derrick Reimer hosts and writes The Art of Product , hosts Startups For the Rest of Us and writes UI Breakfast: UI/UX Design and Product Strategy . They have also been a guest on Indie Hackers Podcast (2 times) , Tropical MBA: Entrepreneurship & Founder Lifestyle , Indie Bites , Build Your SaaS , Slow & Steady and Thinking Elixir Podcast .

Recently: “It's Been A While” on The Art of Product (November 2026); “Episode 856 | Key Learnings from MicroConf Europe 2026” on Startups For the Rest of Us (October 2026); “Episode 850 | How Not to Screw Up When Hiring Your first Developer and More Listener Questions (with Derrick Reimer)” on Startups For the Rest of Us (September 2026); “Episode 830 | Breaking Through Plateaus, Zero-Click Marketing, and More from MicroConf 2026 (with Derrick Reimer)” on Startups For the Rest of Us (April 2026); “Episode 822 | No-code vs. A.I. Coding, SaaS Margins in the A.I. Age, and More Listener Questions (with Derrick Reimer)” on Startups For the Rest of Us (March 2026); “Episode 810 | The Best A.I. Coding Stack, Shipping Fast, and More Listener Questions (With Derrick Reimer)” on Startups For the Rest of Us (December 2025).

What They Said

“It's a sign that the work is requiring a different kind of attention… it comes back pretty fast with a lot of stuff. And if you want to keep some degree of understanding of what's going on, you are having to take in a lot of code, a lot of information, a lot of logic, and make decisions at a more rapid pace. So there's an exhausting element to it. And I think a lot of developers are feeling the loss of craft, which I think is really mentally challenging for a lot of folks.” — Derrick Reimer, The Art of Product

Derrick had just said that he and his developer no longer listen to music while they work. Asked how the shift to agent-driven development is going for his team, he describes the mental cost of reviewing agent output.

The Art of Product · 2026-11-06 Permalink → Listen →
The Art of Product Around 39:08 into the episode
Derrick Reimer

…has just completely changed, which I think, you know, it's the double-edged sword, right? It's like we can get so much more done, but also, like, I was talking to Jesse, my developer, about this the other day. Like, we both came to the realization, like, we don't listen to music anymore while we

Ben Orenstein

work. And that's like

Derrick Reimer

a, I mean, it's a sign that like the work is requiring a different kind of attention. You know, it's like, in some ways, it's, I don't know, it's hard to characterize what it's like because in some ways it's easier because, you know, the agent's doing most of the heavy lifting. But also like it comes back pretty fast with a lot of stuff. And if you want to keep some degree of understanding of what's going on and how to redirect and how to refine, like you are having to like take in a lot of a lot of code, a lot of information, a lot of logic, and make decisions at a more rapid pace. So there's like an exhausting element to it. And I think a lot of developers are feeling the loss of craft, which I think is really mentally challenging for a lot of folks. Totally.

Ben Orenstein

That's been a thing for us. And I think I kind of have to push on a little bit, which is like, I think it's so important that we go fast, fast error.

Derrick Reimer

Yeah.

Ben Orenstein

And that we are a little bit less precious about how some of the source code looks.

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