Brian Casel

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Runs Builder Methods, a training and community site teaching developers how to build software with AI tools, after roughly two decades as a designer, developer and SaaS founder. Earlier products include Restaurant Engine and Audience Ops, a content-marketing service he sold in 2021; his current work centers on AI-assisted coding workflows and product prototyping. Publishes videos on his own YouTube channel and co-hosts The Panel with Justin Jackson and Jordan Gal, a weekly show on founder topics including pricing, product strategy and AI coding tools. Also turns up on Justin Jackson's show Justin's Brain, and formerly co-hosted Build Your SaaS.

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Brian Casel writes Brian Casel , hosts and writes The Panel , hosts Justin's brain and writes UI Breakfast: UI/UX Design and Product Strategy . They have also been a guest on Slow & Steady (2 times) , The Art of Product (2 times) , Offsite (2 times) , Tropical MBA: Entrepreneurship & Founder Lifestyle , Pragmatic AI with Matt Stauffer , Indie Bites , Build Your SaaS , Remote Ruby and Makers.dev .

Recently: “It's the End of the World of Coding, And I Feel Fine” on The Panel (October 2026); “It's the End of the World of Coding, And I Feel Fine” on The Panel (October 2026); “Eat Your Customer's Pain” on The Panel (September 2026); “Eat Your Customer's Pain” on The Panel (September 2026); “Finding Carol” on The Panel (September 2026); “Finding Carol” on The Panel (September 2026).

What They Said

“Is this product going to be necessary in 2027, 2028? I mean, probably not, because literally the last three videos on my YouTube channel were edited by Claude operating Adobe Premiere for me, and it did a perfect job.” — Brian Casel, The Panel

Casel was explaining why he struggles to commit to any one product idea for the long term. His latest idea is in the video space, a big market where he thinks he has a distinctive take. This is the question that stops him each time.

The Panel · 2026-10-03 Permalink → Listen →
The Panel Around 36:44 into the episode
Brian Casel

sure I'll get around to building. Um, but all of these the logic usually goes something like this: like, okay, I Feel Fine pain. I think that there is a gap. I'm not satisfied with the current solutions. I know I have some taste and an idea for how I want to solve this. I'm going to build it. And, and I also,

Speaker 4

but usually, as I go

Brian Casel

through that process, I'm also thinking, like, how would I market this? How would I position it? How, like, who would I be pitting this against as an enemy from a position standpoint? Yeah, and but also, like, what is the unique difference? Like, here's the category that this is going into. Now, how is my thing different? If you are a person who sees the world my way, then this is why you should like that, right? You can see my latest attempt at that by looking at the copy that I wrote on the Flywright marketing site. And same thing with Mimeo. Now, the dead end that I end up coming to is like, am I ready to commit and say and say to myself, I'm going to go all in on this idea because I Feel that a great long-term successful growing business can be built on this one product. I have a hard time saying, I haven't yet found a product that fits that criteria. I mean, there's one newer product idea that I thought I was there like a couple of weeks ago. It's in the video space. And I won't really get much more into it. I think I will build some version of this, but it's still, it comes back to that thing where I was like, all right, this, this looks like a good opportunity because it's a huge category. Yes, it's very competitive, but there's a world of customers out there, and I just need a small slice of them. And I do have a very unique, a unique take on this that I think is worth, that makes it noteworthy, that makes it worth paying attention to. Again, I still might do something like this, but I still come to the, at the end of the day, like, is this product going to be necessary in 2027, 2028? I mean, probably not, because literally the last three videos on my YouTube channel were edited by Claude operating Adobe Premiere for me, and it did a perfect job. I mean, you know, so it's the longevity,

Jordan Gal

right? What we've talked about in the past around valuations, that the terminal value, the thing at the end, it's similar in like a product decision.

Brian Casel

Yeah, or it's life like the it's like it's like, am I going to do, am I going to build something with platform risk? You know, that it's almost like every single category feels like it has platform risk at this point. You know, like, like, yeah, I could

Speaker 4

probably launch a product

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“we're so in this bubble where we think, oh, the latest, greatest model, we're going to brand it Astro, we're going to brand it Fable and everyone's going to care. But like 99% of the world is mostly against AI at this point.” — Brian Casel, The Panel

The group had been talking about a consultant who charges by the hour to set up AI for small-business owners, and how much better that lands with customers than any frontier model release. Casel extends the point to the whole industry, labs included. The disconnect he is describing runs between people who follow model launches and everyone else.

The Panel · 2026-09-05 Permalink → Listen →
The Panel Around 30:03 into the episode
Jordan Gal

And then, and then right after that, it's the backlash that's like, well, homie's making more money than this. Exactly. Homie's charging $160 an hour to build AI stuff for people. And he's probably banking because he's meeting people where they are instead of expecting them to come. Come up over into like inference NVIDIA land where everyone knows everything and the latest model matters. And is it fable? Is it soul? Is it Luna? Where nobody cares. And I take a lot of inspiration from that. Like, oh, I gotta, I gotta get it. Every

Justin Jackson

CEO printing off emails, getting their secretary to print off the emails, and then they highlight them. And then they think, like, this is, you gotta look at where the money is. We could, you can be a smug Gen Z or a smug millennial or whatever and say, ah, those guys, they don't know what they're talking about. But listen, Charleston AI, yeah, just show the old people with money how to do it or do it for them. You

Brian Casel

definitely see that with, I mean, like, like, it's like these huge AI companies, OpenAI, Anthropic, it's like they, and as like the rest of our tech industry, we're so in this bubble where we think, oh, the latest, greatest model, we're going to brand it Astro, we're going to brand it Fable and everyone's going to care. But like 99% of the world is mostly against AI at this point. Like they don't care about the fancy launches. So that, like, it's just like this is interesting, complete disconnect. But I want to go back to what Jordan was talking about, how like really the difference between that like middle of funnel and top of funnel exposure awareness. Because I mean, I think about that a lot. Like the only people who have ever really interacted with my products, current like builder methods, and going back many years, it's always been the middle of the funnel and down and never getting like the exposure to the higher funnel. And frankly, if I look at most B2B, like especially like bootstrapped independent SAS, like the part of it is like we can build a successful business enough just focusing on like the direct to our direct like ICP customer, whether it's SEO, you know, high intent SEO or ads high intent or cold outreach or, you know, or even like content that is targeting solution or pain aware, solution aware people. That's been my entire business. I think most of our businesses, I think it's really interesting. Like obviously, Jordan, you know, you're playing that larger game, which is like, okay, we've got that dialed. Now let's go out to the broader

Justin Jackson

market and

Brian Casel

see how we can blow this thing up. But I am always interested in like ideas to open up my mind, even with the constraints that I operate under as a super small, you know, mostly solo person here. It's like, I, and, and like, yeah, like, even, even like experiments or systems or bots or processes where it's like, how, how can I start to like get exposure or create assets that would drive audiences outside of what I'm actually doing at my desk every day?

Justin Jackson

How do you think that would work? See, I've always been like skeptical of this, like, convincing unaware people. It just feels like so much energy. It feels like even the richest companies in the world often fail at it. So, you know, how many people use shortcuts on their iOS device? I've always thought like maybe 1% or 2%, but this is Apple has all of the marketing power in the world.

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