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Jurrien Timmer

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Jurrien Timmer has been a guest on Bloomberg Surveillance (18 times) , Inflection Point (5 times) , The Compound and Friends (4 times) , RiskReversal Pod (3 times) , Ask The Compound (3 times) , Closing Bell (3 times) , Forward Guidance (3 times) , The Wolf Of All Streets (2 times) , Wall Street Week , Masters in Business , The Macro Trading Floor , Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing , Facts vs Feelings with Ryan Detrick & Sonu Varghese , Coin Stories with Natalie Brunell , The Investor's Podcast (We Study Billionaires) - The Investor’s Podcast Network , Bitcoin News Alerts | Daily BTC Macro Signal and The Indicator (Planet Money) .

Recently: “Choppiness and Momentum Across Markets” on Bloomberg Surveillance (October 2026); “This Is Where the Rubber Meets the Road, with Jurrien Timmer” on The Compound and Friends (October 2026); “Borrowing money to invest! What could go wrong?” on The Indicator (Planet Money) (August 2026); “What Are the Two Main Risks Right Now?” on Ask The Compound (July 2026); “Single Best Idea with Tom Keene: Claudia Sahm & Jurrien Timmer” on Bloomberg Surveillance (February 2026); “Better-Than-Expected Job Data Resets Fed Bets” on Bloomberg Surveillance (February 2026).

What They Said

“I was at the PBOC. I was at CIC, the big sovereign wealth fund, all asking about gold. What's going on with gold? Gold in this day and age. Because they don't have a reserve currency. For us, it's a luxury. Like, who cares, right? It's a side show. It's like Bitcoin. You play or you don't. But for them, it's existential.” — Jurrien Timmer, The Compound and Friends

Timmer describing a trip to Asia in which he met central banks and sovereign wealth funds on behalf of Fidelity's international business. What struck him was how much they wanted to talk about gold, and how differently the question looks from a country whose currency is not the one the world holds in reserve.

The Compound and Friends · 2026-10-09 Permalink → Listen →
The Compound and Friends Around 08:05 into the episode
Jurrien Timmer

I met with all the central banks. They have

Josh Brown

mandates with the governments of these places. So Fidelity

Jurrien Timmer

International is institutional and wholesale. So it's not like the U.S. where you buy a mutual fund. And being the Fidelity brand, we have access. I mean, I was at the PBOC. I was at CIC, the big sovereign wealth fund, all asking about gold. What's going on with gold? Gold in this day and age. Because they don't have a reserve currency. For us, it's a luxury. Like, who cares, right? It's a size show. It's like Bitcoin. You play or you don't. But for them, it's existential.

Josh Brown

That Fidelity event I did with Peter Lynch was definitely like a career highlight. Nice. Like guys like you and I, we're always talking. We're always, he doesn't do a lot of that. And he was razor sharp. And I think, so I think at first we did a prep call. And as you can imagine, it's Fidelity. So…

Jurrien Timmer

So can I tell you, my dad? He took the room over. So Peter Lynch was the only person other than me who ever did TV for Fidelity. He was on Louis River. Is that true? He was on, well, for the 99%. He was on Louis Rukaiser, Wall Street Week. And then he retired, but nobody, nobody who's a big…

Josh Brown

Amazing.

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“It was Clorox, IBM, Xerox. And the irony is that all of those companies through that 48% bear market in 73, 74, they all delivered on their earnings. Their earnings didn't skip a beat, but they still got annihilated because valuations, right? Inflation will kill valuations.” — Jurrien Timmer, The Compound and Friends

Timmer, of Fidelity, on the early-1970s Nifty Fifty, the high-quality stocks institutions bought after retail investors had been wiped out. At the peak, he says, the top 50 traded at twice the price-to-earnings multiple of the other 450. He says the same pattern returned in the late 1990s, when the top 50 doubled their multiple from 20 to 40 while the rest of the market stayed at 20.

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The Compound and Friends Around 48:30 into the episode
Jurrien Timmer

so late 60s, then we had the recession, 1970, the retail investing public got wiped out. And then early 70s, it was institutions running money, including Fidelity. And PMs just wanted safe quality, high-quality stocks that were going to deliver earnings. And that was called the Nifty 50.

Josh Brown

They were brands.

Jurrien Timmer

And it was like called. It was Clorox, IBM, Xerox. And the irony is that all of those companies through that 48% bear market in 73, 74, they all delivered on their earnings. Their earnings didn't skip a beat, but they still got annihilated because valuations, right? Inflation will kill valuations. And that's what happened. And At that extreme, the top 50 stocks were trading at 2x the PE of the bottom 450. Same thing happened in late 90s. From 1998, that LTCM moment, the meltup started. From that point, the top 50 doubled their PE from 20 to 40, while the rest of the market stayed at 20. That

Josh Brown

was like Cisco, Microsoft, Intel.

Jurrien Timmer

Yeah. And that was another bubble. And then you had this massive rotation, but it was in a down market. Now we don't have the value. We never had the valuation extreme. 21. Well, yeah, 21, but that was for the whole market too. But, you know, even a year ago when the Mac 7 sort of lost its…

Josh Brown

Can I ask you about this then? That's what the people that have been bearish, they've pivoted to. They said, no, no, no, you have it all wrong. You're thinking about 1999 and you're looking for an SP at 50 times earnings and it's not. And you're looking for a NASDAQ at 100 times earnings and it's…

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