Richard Dawkins

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The Poetry of Reality is hosted by world renowned evolutionary biologist and best-selling author, Professor Richard Dawkins, celebrated by intellectuals and scientists everywhere for his honest critique of religion and his push for critical thinking.

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Richard Dawkins hosts and writes The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins , writes StarTalk Radio , writes The Michael Shermer Show , writes The Compleat Nick Gillespie , writes Sam Harris and writes Book Club with Michael Smerconish . They have also been a guest on The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss (5 times) , In Our Time (BBC) (4 times) , Into the Impossible With Brian Keating (3 times) , Within Reason (2 times) , Lex Fridman Podcast , The Daily Stoic , Conversations with Coleman , The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie , Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps and Radiolab .

Recently: “Richard Dawkins on A.I. Consciousness” on Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps (November 2026); “The Argument Still Stands: 50 Years of The Selfish Gene” on The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins (November 2026); “Tankers in the Jungle” on The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins (June 2026); “Richard Dawkins is coming to Australia and New Zealand” on The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins (March 2026); “Natural Selection’s Illusion of Design” on The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins (October 2025); “Natural Selection’s Illusion of Design” on The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins (October 2025).

What They Said

“I liken it to justifying music because it's good exercise for the violinist's right arm.” — Richard Dawkins, Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Richard Dawkins and Josh Szeps were discussing why science and space exploration are so often justified by their spin-offs. Dawkins says spin-offs are a tiny part of the real case, which is wonder and understanding.

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps · 2026-11-12 Permalink → Listen →
Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps
Richard Dawkins

…or justifying science because aspirin was discovered from the bark of trees, that kind of thing. The majesty of the size of the universe, well, the Milky Way galaxy to start, and of geological time and of plate tectonics and things like that. I think science teachers need to do more of that.

Josh Szeps

Yeah, and I wish we wouldn't play that game of always justifying scientific research on the basis of the way it can cash out pragmatically, you know, the Teflon argument. Well, we should, you know, we should go to Mars because it, who knows what untold consumer goods will come out of.

Richard Dawkins

It's a tiny part of the justification. I liken it to justifying music because it's good exercise for the violinist's right arm.

Josh Szeps

Right, exactly. Yes. Where are you on the space race and colonizing Mars and things like that? Well, I'm

Richard Dawkins

sympathetic to the sort of negative feeling that the enormous extra expense of sending humans is probably not worth it. And sending instruments is a better way to explore the solar system, which is all you can explore at the moment by visiting it. And because the extra expense of sending a human is…

Josh Szeps

provides an opportunity for normies to sit in front of their TV and go, wow, that's. So I'm a bit ambivalent.

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