Andrew Lisowski

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Senior software engineer at Snowflake and co-founder of Graze and Cocore, who has also built tools including Kich, Kikbak and Standard Reader. Works mostly on developer tooling and infrastructure. Co-hosts devtools.fm with Justin Bennett, a podcast about developer tools and the people who build them, and has appeared on Syntax, Software Unscripted, Scaling DevTools and Whiskey Web and Whatnot.

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Andrew Lisowski hosts and writes devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development . They have also been a guest on Syntax (Wes Bos & Scott Tolinski) , Software Unscripted , Scaling DevTools and Whiskey Web and Whatnot .

Recently: “Tarun Sachdeva - Traces” on devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development (November 2026); “Boris Tane - Polylane” on devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development (October 2026); “Bobby Grayson - Deciduous” on devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development (September 2026); “Bobby Grayson - Deciduous” on devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development (September 2026); “Scott Lanoue - CoMail” on devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development (September 2026); “Scott Lanoue - CoMail” on devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development (September 2026).

What They Said

Andrew was talking about a developer who spent a month using LLMs to explore and prove mathematical theorems. He suggests that publishing the full agent sessions behind such work would change how people judge it.

devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development · 2026-11-02 Permalink → Listen →
devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development Around 40:17 into the episode
Andrew Lisowski

Yeah.

Tarun Sachdeva

…be, there's, there, there's so much nuance to these things. And you kind of have to, you have to like think of a task as not just a singular, like, I did this, I pushed this much code, this is how much it costs. It's like, there's a lot more in the middle there that you, you, you have to consider.

Andrew Lisowski

Yeah, just on time savings alone. Like if I prompted $400 away, but I saved three months of my own life like going down different paths and finding like the dead ends. Like it's kind of hard to quantify that upfront. There's a lot of, yeah.

Tarun Sachdeva

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. This is also why we. We intentionally chose to not surface token counts in the product as a default thing, right? Like tokens are not something we are overly fixated on as a product. We are very much of like a tool to help developers collaborate with each other in this new…

Andrew Lisowski

Yeah. Recently, Dan Abramov, a famous React guy, took a detour for a month to go into mathematics and prove like theorems and stuff. And talking about this makes me think that that type of work really fits to this model too, because he spent a month prompting LLMs and probing the depths of them and…

Tarun Sachdeva

Yeah, exactly. And those conversations are some of the most interesting. You know, we have some really interesting ones on our that are shared publicly as well. And I think that, you know, your point here is exactly very astute is that agents are the primary interface to really all knowledge work.…

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