“I think you can tell a story of what's possible, but there's still a line to be drawn. Hey, I have revenue generating contracts that I don't actually have. Hey, I have a product that doesn't work, but I'm still going to test on patients. Entrepreneurs need to understand where they draw those boundaries. A vision is a beautiful thing. But with Theranos, it's very different than, hey, I'm going to treat you like a lab rat and test on you with this thing that doesn't work, and abuse that trust and give you wrong results.”

…but let's. Keep pushing forward where there's still the opportunity to do a lot of good. And where you have these one or two outliers of people who are in it for themselves, that there's a whole community of people who are really mobilizing to help other people. So I suppose that's my hope.

…your product or your business if you're not showing them some kind of results. But you're also not going to keep going. You won't get to keep iterating and learning and growing and doing something better if that money isn't flowing in. So you have to bend the rules. You have to tell the best story.

Erika Cheung, thank you so much for joining us today.

Thank you, Rebecca.

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