“The thing that I hope people realize if they're working for a company is it's one thing to pay attention to what people are saying. It's another to pay attention to what they're doing. Holmes has always been remarkably good at saying things that make you believe her, that make you empathize with her, that make you be inspired by her. But when you really get into the details of the way she behaves and the way she treats people, it paints a whole different narrative.”

screamed at? How many people were threatened to lose their jobs? And that was the same case for me, right? Like for me, coming forward and sharing my concerns about what was happening with the patient testing, you know, I thought this was me doing my job. And to come back and realize, oh, this company spent $150,000 to hire intelligence agencies and private investigators to follow me when I was 22 years old because they didn't want to confront that reality and that bad news. Like that's just so extreme. Like there are these things that I think people are unable to see in this film. And my hope, you know, there's this unsettlingness. I think when I was watching the film, just like you were saying, like there's so much to process. And I think it was a remarkable job that Lance and Nathan did in making us all realize how vulnerable we are to being deceived by what people say. And I think coming out of it, like we're describing, all the former employees, everyone else, the thing that I hope people realize if they're in this position and they're working for a company is it's one thing to pay attention to what people are saying. It's another to be pay attention to what they're doing. And that takes time and that takes just experience with them. And I…