“You really don't see who's who in failure. You see it in success. You see who's got their feet on the ground when something is successful. So you can have all the meetings in the world. Everyone's delightful in a meeting.”

So, you know, that was the goal anyway.

Yeah. We spoke obviously to our Roseanne, but Brett Butler or Cycle Shepherd, they're notoriously difficult stars. What a great adjective. Did working with people that are difficult change the way that you bat actors? Do you do due diligence before working with people? Someone

Yeah.

Everybody's flattering. Flattering. Oh, love your script. In success, if the show works, people are guaranteed extraordinary amounts of money over a period of time. That's when you find out who's who. So there's no real, I don't know of a vetting system other than have they been in jail and why? What else can you do?

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