“The interesting line to watch, where I will consider myself very wrong, is if a significant portion of these companies that end up building their own tools are not founder-owned. If I can save $300 and I'm the founder, that's $300 back to me, so there is a much higher level of motivation to take on those risks. Once you have a manager making the decision, it's a totally different thing with totally different trade-offs.”

Right. Like you, you my line on this, right? To be fair, because Jesse always falsely claims I said that this isn't happening, which is not at all true. I think the interesting line to watch where I will consider myself very wrong is if a significant portion of these companies that end up building their own tools for things are not like founder owned and rotten because that's the line, right? Like if I can save $300 and I'm the founder, that's $300 back to me, right? So like that, there is a much higher level of motivation there to take on those risks because now I have $4,000 more a year literally in my pocket. We