Taylor Monahan Principal security researcher at MetaMask, working on the team that grew out of MyCrypto and MyEtherWallet, the Ethereum wallet she co-founded in 2015.

“I think the biggest risk is themselves… if they just like operate relatively sanely and don't go off the deep end, don't take on like trying to morally fix the freaking world, don't think that they're better than everyone else and can do things safely and no one else can… I think that they'll be fine. I think that China can't beat them. I think that Zuck can't beat them, right? But I think that there's like a very decent probability that they blow themselves up.”

Unchained · Crypto & Web3 · October 2026

Context

The Unchained hosts were discussing Anthropic's S-1 and its unusual governance, including voting power set aside outside ordinary shareholders. Kain Warwick had just listed the threats to the company; Monahan says the biggest one is the founders' own convictions.

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Transcript

Unchained Around 09:32 into the episode

Taylor Monahan

mean the ai not break into they've given 10 of the

Kain Warwick

…out by like china by zuckerberg like there are threats everywhere this is like this is a this is an existential battle for like control of intelligence right um and so there is every chance That these guys are sitting, they could get taken out by themselves with their dumb fucking EA voting. I am,

Taylor Monahan

that's that's what I've been trying to say is that I think the biggest risk is themselves. It is, I think, I think if they, if they just like operate relatively sanely and don't go off the deep end, don't don't take on like trying to morally fix the freaking world, don't think that they're better than everyone else and can do things safely and no one else can, right? If they keep it like relatively straightforward and rely on, you know, pride and true company organization and doing things and building things, I think that they'll be fine. I think that China can't beat them. I think that Zuck can't beat them, right? But I think that there's like a very decent probability that they blow themselves up. Yeah.

Austin Griffith

And they're not. They might blow up everything also, right? They might also statement in here that it's like the Rokos Baskalis, Basilisk stuff is super interesting, right? I can't believe they invoked that in the middle of this statement, but they're talking about like, if you don't help AI take…

Kain Warwick

It's quite the investment offer to be like future AI overlords to punish you for not giving us money. Yeah.

Austin Griffith

That's part of it. It was in there. Yes. Yeah.

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