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Talking about how to let non-engineers vibe code without slowing them down, Casale admits she has no easy answer. Her own bottleneck is keeping attention up while reviewing a growing volume of AI-written code.
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…place. And then like, but then as you think about like, but what you throw into a webs instance, well, like anything that webs instance can do, you're maybe worried about that. And if you have someone vibe coding like just like a full-on program for something, you have more problems of that shape.
It's problems that I, at least I feel like I don't have good answers to at this point. Like I think that it very much feels like, you know, you're kind of like trying to keep up with like all of these advances in AI. And I think especially as like a dev, it's like, I don't want to slow down all my users. Like it's like I like they have access to these really powerful tools and they can get things done that they weren't able to get done maybe even two months ago. But also some of the things I do find kind of scary and it's it's I don't know. I think it's one of the things that I've been thinking about a lot. Even I mean, even as simple as like, we have a lot more code review to do as dev these days. And so it's like, there's a thing where it's like more code is just being generated by AI. We have more code review to do. I don't know about you, but I sometimes I get a little tired. And I think there's a thing where, how do I keep my scrutiny up on the code review, especially when I'm code reviewing code that maybe I'm the first dev to have looked at? I think it's all really hard.
Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of things that we're thinking about here and doing. There's a lot of work on sandboxing of agents to help deal with this kind of issue. An idea that I've been thinking about just in the last couple of weeks is to give safe pathways for vibe coding like whole applications…
yeah we kind of have a similar workflow that we spun up on sales where when a person goes and vibe codes out their app they then go and build something basically a document that explains what it is that they Think their app is doing. And then we have a skill that runs on both the app and the…
Yeah, no, I think the technological choices here are really hard to work through. Like the other thing that we're like actually just starting to do is we've started hiring a team of people to work on formal methods so that you could actually like prove properties of your program in a way that, you…