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JW Justin Wolfers Justin Wolfers Professor of economics and public policy at the University of Michigan, a non-resident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, and author of a widely used i...

“The only way I can get a pay rise is by trying to get an outside job offer. I want to be a really good University of Michigan professor. I want to be loyal. That means I'm doing a whole lot of things that are unlikely to make another university make me a job offer. So if what I want is the highest wage rise, what I'm going to do instead is go to a whole bunch of conferences and just tell people, I don't know if you've noticed this lately, but I'm really underpaid.”

Platypus Economics with Justin Wolfers · Money & Markets · November 2026

“The only way I can get a pay rise is by trying to get an outside job offer. I want to be a really good University of Michigan professor. I want to be loyal. That means I'm doing a whole lot of things that are unlikely to make another university make me a job offer. So if what I want is the highest wage rise, what I'm going to do instead is go to a whole bunch of conferences and just tell people, I don't know if you've noticed this lately, but I'm really underpaid.” — Justin Wolfers, Platypus Economics with Justin Wolfers

Context

Wolfers gives an example from his own university of a labor market where only outside offers produce raises. He says it rewards work that gets you noticed elsewhere over work that helps your employer.

Transcript

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Justin Wolfers

Let me tell you the extreme version of the sort of job market you're worried about, which is I teach at a large state university, the University of Michigan. Every year they give the faculty a rise that they pretend is a merit rise, but is actually just roundabout. It always tends to be the inflation rate plus or minus a percentage point. And then you might say, well, that's but apart from that, and when you get promoted to professor, you basically don't get wage rises, or maybe you get a percent here or a percent there, or sometimes the university's poor and it doesn't give a percent and you fall behind. But it turns out, if I were to go to the university and say that Princeton just offered me a job and it was offering me $50,000 more, the university would that afternoon match the job offer. The only way I, or tell me to go, the only way I can get a pay rise is by trying to get an outside job offer. The real world's not quite that stark, but I think that starkness gives you a sense of it. And it does create some really weird things, right? So I want to be a really good University of Michigan professor. I want to be loyal. I want to help the students. That means I'm doing a whole lot of things that are unlikely to make another university make me a…

Augusta Chapman

Yeah, I mean, it almost comes to me to the level of perverse incentives, though probably not completely, but it seems like when you have somebody who's loyal and really good at the specific work that you do at your company, they are less useful other places. And it just seems like it creates a…

Justin Wolfers

That's actually a really important point. And it is like, look, it's very hard to write sensible labor contracts that can take account of all the different things that are hard to observe and all the different incentives. But the issue you just talked about is a really important one. The more you…

Augusta Chapman

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