“I think the democratic idea is very closely connected with the thought that we should be able to think of our future as a choice rather than a fate. Even a good fate loses a lot relative to a similarly decent future that we've been able to choose.”

going to take this quickly in two directions. One is at a very high level. This has to do with partly with how much you think it matters whether we think of our future as a choice or a fate. I think the democratic idea is very closely connected with the thought that we should be able to think of our future as a choice rather than a fate, and that even a good fate loses something relative to, loses a lot relative to a similarly decent future that we've been able to choose. Now, let me be quickly more concrete in a couple of ways. One is that I think from the point of view of political sociology, sort of just attempting to estimate the future from the present and past, there are real reasons to worry about the stability of regimes like climate regimes or finance regimes or trade regimes that inevitably impose a lot of losses as well as a lot of gains, distribute a lot of pain, and can be, and I mean, in a way, appropriately are, politically framed as never having really been chosen. I think that the economic dimension, it's not the…