Conversations with Tyler · Ideas & Essays · September 2026
Asked by Tyler Cowen what she is working on now that her IMF term has ended, Gopinath described a new project on AI and jobs. Her angle is that everyone is tracking layoffs happening right now, when the historical pattern says the losses land in recessions. She is trying to measure the resulting latent pool: workers who are exposed but only get cut once companies go into cost-cutting mode.
Thank you. Yeah, no, first of all, I'm really excited to be back and in the thick of all the discussions here. And, you know, given the times that we live in, I think these are very interesting times to be an academic too. And so, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm working on digital money, stable coins, because of my work on dollar dominance. I'm curious to know how this can affect dollar dominance or not. I mean, that's one big area, but also working on a project on AI. What's
your AI project? The
AI project is, which I've just kickstarted, is actually looking at the impact of AI on jobs. Everybody else is doing that. But there is one difference I think that's not coming up in the conversations, which is people are tracking what the effect is on what's happening to jobs right now with the advent of AI. But what we've seen through past cycles of automation is that something like 85% of automation-related job losses happen in the first year of recessions. So there's a sense in which there's like a latent buildup of the fact that a pool of workers who, when there's a recession and you're in cost-cutting mode, companies lay off and then you have jobless recoveries. We saw that after the great financial crisis. So with my co-authors, I am working on trying to understand to see what we can do right now in terms of tracking what that latent pool could look like. But I'm also interested in AI and financial markets and frictions and so on. And the last thing that I'm doing is I'm launching a global economics lab at Harvard with the mission to help advance an international economic order that benefits people everywhere. I mean, the way I see it is that we're at obviously a historic time in terms of the global economy, big transformations, shifts to protectionism, geopolitics, AI. Because now economics and politics are kind of getting a bit intertwined, I think it's harder for other institutions and multilateral institutions to be able to do full justice to the big questions that we face. And I think independent researchers have a role to play here. And so that's what I am investing in.
Great. Gita Gopinath, thank you very much. Thank you, Tyler. Thanks for listening to Conversations with Tyler. You can subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. If you like this podcast, please consider giving us a rating and leaving a review. This helps other listeners find the show. On Twitter, I'm at Tyler Cowen, and the show is at Cowan Convos. Until next time, please keep listening and learning.