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JS Jasmine Sun Jasmine Sun anthropologist of disruption ✰ atlantic contributor ✰ san francisco

“Experts over 80% of the time made the same decision as the AI, and over 70% of the time used the AI's arguments to justify their decision. But only 15% of the time did they say, oh yeah, I was influenced by this AI agent. … There's all this concern about AI takeover and rogue AIs. And I think that a lot of the times we're just going to let the AIs take over because we'll just be outsourcing all our decisions and we won't even realize.”

Hard Fork (NYT) · Tech Strategy & Big Tech · October 2026

“Experts over 80% of the time made the same decision as the AI, and over 70% of the time used the AI's arguments to justify their decision. But only 15% of the time did they say, oh yeah, I was influenced by this AI agent. … There's all this concern about AI takeover and rogue AIs. And I think that a lot of the times we're just going to let the AIs take over because we'll just be outsourcing all our decisions and we won't even realize.” — Jasmine Sun, Hard Fork (NYT)

Context

Asked what she was tracking this week, Sun describes a randomized controlled trial from Anthropic in which professional analysts were given AI advice on a decision. She summarizes the study's reported findings, then gives her own worry.

Transcript

Hard Fork (NYT) Around 48:46 into the episode
Erin Griffith

self-employed. What are you talking about? You are your own boss.

Speaker 2

Well, I am also self-hating. So I think I can see you. Jasmine, what are you tracking this week?

Speaker 3

Oh, man. I saw that this new research report that a team at Anthropic put out. They did a randomized controlled trial trying to understand how much experts defer to AI systems. So they basically gave a bunch of professional, like statistical analysts access to AIs to give them advice on a decision in a scenario. And what they found was that not only did the experts, I think over 80% of the time, make the same decision as the AI, which are split half half, they also over 70% of the time use the AI's arguments to justify their decision. But only 15% of the time did they say, oh, yeah, I was influenced by this AI agent. And so we have this world, which I think is one that we're going to be in increasingly, where humans are oftentimes almost becoming like rappers on AI agents and AI systems, where like all we're doing is like seeing the faces and like typing the thoughts. And like, I feel like what, like, there's all this concern about AI takeover and rogue AIs. And I think that a lot of the times we're just going to let the AIs take over because we'll just be outsourcing all our decisions and we won't even realize. So that's what I'm worried about.

Speaker 2

That is a cheery thought. I mean, as somebody who professionally takes other people's opinions and repeats them as though they were my own, like I do, I do kind of sympathize. It's just usually the people I'm stealing from are people, not, you know, not artificial.

Speaker 3

People say that like AI makes everybody a manager. Like here we are.

Speaker 2

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly. This is exactly what managers do. Wow. Aaron, what about you? What are you tracking?

Speaker names come from our own diarization. The position is estimated from where the line sits in the episode.

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