Ivan Burazin Co-founder and CEO of Daytona, a cloud platform that gives AI agents their own secure, stateful sandbox computers.

“Humans and agents ultimately need different things. The interface is completely different. We resemble more Stripe than we do AWS.”

The Peel with Turner Novak · Startups & Venture · November 2026

Context

Asked how Daytona went from remote dev environments for human engineers to sandboxes for agents, Burazin says early agent customers found the human product unusable. With AWS you click through a dashboard; with Stripe you wire it into your app and it runs when your customer acts.

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Transcript

The Peel with Turner Novak Around 43:49 into the episode

Ivan Burazin

…engineers inside of enterprises. And like, there's no clear winner. There's very few companies doing this. There's very few people ahead of us. The market is insane. Like we have to switch over and do this. And the technology is similar. Like it was different, but there were similarities. So

Turner Novak

how did it happen? Like, did some people start asking you like, hey, can I put my agent in this?

Ivan Burazin

Yeah. So people started asking us, this was 24. And people would ask us, hey, I saw that in the, we're trying to create like a like a dev environment or whatever. They use a different term at that point for agents. And I'm like, cool, here's my infrastructure. Like, go, but I have no idea about like agents or AI at this point. Nothing, like very, very little. And I'm like, sure, here you go. And most people said, like, this is horseshit. Like, I can't use this. I'm like, what? It's like, it's different. I need these things. I need these things. Like, humans and agents ultimately need different things. Like, the interface is completely different. Like, we look, we resemble more Stripe than we do AWS. Yeah,

Turner Novak

I was

Speaker 3

going to say, what does that even mean? I

Turner Novak

like, that's just. Well, if you think of like,

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