Ivan Burazin

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Co-founder and CEO of Daytona, a cloud platform that gives AI agents their own secure, stateful sandbox computers. Earlier built the cloud IDE Codeanywhere, and Daytona began as a product for development environments for humans before agents became its main workload. Appears as a guest on The Peel with Turner Novak, The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck, Latent Space, Insecure Agents, Software Huddle, devtools.fm, Scaling DevTools, DevOps and Docker Talk and ThursdAI, on agent infrastructure, developer communities and go-to-market for technical founders.

Where to Find Them

Ivan Burazin writes The New Stack Podcast and writes ThursdAI - The top AI news from the past week . They have also been a guest on DevOps and Docker Talk: Cloud Native Interviews and Tooling (2 times) , devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development , Open Source Startup Podcast , Software Huddle , Latent Space , Scaling DevTools , Insecure Agents , The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck , The Peel with Turner Novak and 10 Minutes or Less with Ali Rohde .

Recently: “His Customers Died. He Grew 51% a Month Anyway. | Ivan Burazin, Daytona” on The Peel with Turner Novak (November 2026); “Daytona hit $3M ARR in 95 days. CEO Ivan Burazin explains how (10 Minutes or Less)” on 10 Minutes or Less with Ali Rohde (June 2026); “Giving Agents Computers — Ivan Burazin, Daytona” on Latent Space (May 2026); “The Agent Harness: Building Secure Sandboxes for Autonomous AI Workloads” on The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck (May 2026); “Ep. 19 Ivan Burazin, Co-Founder & CEO of Daytona” on Insecure Agents (December 2025); “📆 ThursdAI - Jul 3 - ERNIE 4.5, Hunyuan A13B, MAI-DxO outperforms doctors, RL beats SWE bench, Zuck MSL hiring spree & more AI news” on ThursdAI - The top AI news from the past week (July 2025).

What They Said

“When there's a new opportunity in the market, the first one, two, three players at max, once they become established, everyone else dies out. There's no market there. You can be cheaper, faster, better, whatever. You don't have the momentum. You don't have the market. You don't have the awareness. You don't have the scale.” — Ivan Burazin, The Peel with Turner Novak

Burazin's first customers were startups chasing the leading AI app builders, and almost all of them died once the leaders pulled away. He generalizes that into a rule about new categories, where 'better, faster, cheaper' copies lose to the first two or three.

The Peel with Turner Novak · 2026-11-05 Permalink → Listen →
The Peel with Turner Novak Around 16:06 into the episode
Ivan Burazin

Since started, since the beginning. Okay. Every single month.

Speaker 3

Okay.

Ivan Burazin

So it's fine. It's fine. We'll get into that. But what I'm trying to say is people have the perception of like, oh, I see that there's money here. People want to use this product. We're better, faster, cheaper, whatever variation you want. But they don't actually understand that when there's a new opportunity in the market, the first one, two, three players at max, once they become established, everyone else dies out. Like there's no market there. You can be cheaper, faster, better, whatever. You don't have the momentum. You don't have the market. You don't have the awareness. You don't have the scale. You don't have any of those things. And then those companies that become the winners there then start going horizontal and then doing other things, right? You'll see them do like PowerPoint type presentations. They would do all the like these companies are different things, but it basically none of those exist, right? So

Turner Novak

an example of this historically is like, we'll say lovable.

Ivan Burazin

Yeah.

Turner Novak

Where when I do remember, like, I feel like there's always like a flavor of the month pitch. Like as an early stage investor, you'll see like there, there's waves where like we're the next, we're just like lovable, but better. Yeah, exactly. Whatever. You just get so many of them. And you're like…

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“Humans and agents ultimately need different things. The interface is completely different. We resemble more Stripe than we do AWS.” — Ivan Burazin, The Peel with Turner Novak

Asked how Daytona went from remote dev environments for human engineers to sandboxes for agents, Burazin says early agent customers found the human product unusable. With AWS you click through a dashboard; with Stripe you wire it into your app and it runs when your customer acts.

The Peel with Turner Novak · 2026-11-05 Permalink → Listen →
The Peel with Turner Novak Around 43:49 into the episode
Ivan Burazin

…engineers inside of enterprises. And like, there's no clear winner. There's very few companies doing this. There's very few people ahead of us. The market is insane. Like we have to switch over and do this. And the technology is similar. Like it was different, but there were similarities. So

Turner Novak

how did it happen? Like, did some people start asking you like, hey, can I put my agent in this?

Ivan Burazin

Yeah. So people started asking us, this was 24. And people would ask us, hey, I saw that in the, we're trying to create like a like a dev environment or whatever. They use a different term at that point for agents. And I'm like, cool, here's my infrastructure. Like, go, but I have no idea about like agents or AI at this point. Nothing, like very, very little. And I'm like, sure, here you go. And most people said, like, this is horseshit. Like, I can't use this. I'm like, what? It's like, it's different. I need these things. I need these things. Like, humans and agents ultimately need different things. Like, the interface is completely different. Like, we look, we resemble more Stripe than we do AWS. Yeah,

Turner Novak

I was

Speaker 3

going to say, what does that even mean? I

Turner Novak

like, that's just. Well, if you think of like,

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