“We send in more people with guns and they have a gunfight. Like, this is the Wild West, guys. Like, is that really the best we can do as a society? … This is a key distinction. You'll never get a cop that will take a non-lethal weapon up against somebody with a gun. But if we can send in a small drone or robot, then everything shifts.”

…with them for about a year on the idea that we could have a taser-capable drone to be used in extreme circumstances, like a school shooting was the incident there. But today, for example, if you have a person with a gun show up in a building anywhere in America, do you know how we stop them?

We got to wait for the police with a gun? Yeah,

Let's just talk about the future 10 years from now. I think there's five companies launching humanoid-like robots for commercial sale in the next 12 to 18 months that are going to be available here in the U.S. $10,000 to $30,000 price ranges have been kind of talked about. Do you think the future…

Well, first, I would say policing is still fundamentally a human job. Any decisions about using force on another person will be made by humans. And that's a bright line for us. So even with the Taser drone you and I talked about earlier, part of what we learned from the concern was people are…

How do citizens feel like they can maintain their individual liberties from being overwhelmed by a state that is equipped with this much technology? I think that's really where I react personally to think about as more of a libertarian. I'm a big proponent of the role of government being public…