“That's why I also say with the sycophancy, if NYU changed the default, it affects 20,000 faculty and 50,000 students tomorrow. And that's going to have a big scaling effect more than me.”

…for different types of political agendas and policies. And they're going to cause a lot of friction with the mainstream system. So I do think like you can't ignore these things just don't go away. Like a lot of other countries end up in revolutions of various sorts when this type of stuff happens.

…social identities. So if the trends are for more bifurcation, if there's greater variety and more extremism, I hate to ask this question because I feel like it's so Debbie Downer. But Jay, maybe you can, maybe you can spend some hope in this. Where could we fend off the downward spiral, I guess?

And ironically, there's nothing democratic about that. No.

Well, and actually, I know there's hope there, but I also, it pains me because from what, and Tim and I have had this conversation before, where we see many large organizations, particularly the tech organizations, are going is away from some of those like broader scale, let's pull people together…

Maybe we could, and maybe we could sort of wrap this up by just checking doing a quick fact check. Is it true that you actually taught a class when you were trapped in an elevator with your kids? Is this myth? Is this urban myth or is this? Is this true?