Connect your Claude, Codex or OpenClaw for full transcripts on millions of podcasts. Two week free trial, cancel anytime.

Start free trial →
SE Steve Eisman Steve Eisman Investor known for betting against the subprime mortgage market before the 2008 financial crisis, a story told in Michael Lewis's book The Big Short.

“During the first half of this year, I thought that Anthropic and OpenAI were benefiting a lot from token maxing. That was where enterprises told their employees to use AI and to hell with the cost. But that ended this summer when costs got out of control and companies now had the option to switch to cheaper open weight models. So I assumed that once token maxing ended, growth would slow…”

The Real Eisman Playbook · October 2026

“During the first half of this year, I thought that Anthropic and OpenAI were benefiting a lot from token maxing. That was where enterprises told their employees to use AI and to hell with the cost. But that ended this summer when costs got out of control and companies now had the option to switch to cheaper open weight models. So I assumed that once token maxing ended, growth would slow…” — Steve Eisman, The Real Eisman Playbook

Context

Eisman was walking through a table built from Anthropic's S-1 plus public third-quarter figures. The S-1 covers the first half, which he calls the height of enterprise 'token maxing'; his point is that the quarter after it shows growth slowing sharply.

Transcript

The Real Eisman Playbook Around 11:45 into the episode
Speaker 2

The global energy markets are in a

Speaker 1

chronic period of undersupply, driven primarily by the hot wars around the world that are often deeply intertwined with energy production. We believe World War III started in 2014 for reasons we can talk about.

Steve Eisman

…really counts. I also show the company's compute and infrastructure expense during the same periods. And I then calculate Anthropic's efficiency ratio, which I define as its revenue divided by the compute expense. And I also show the sequential percentage change in quarterly revenue. Now, for those of you who are only listening, I think a clear picture emerges, and it is what I have feared. During the first half of this year, I thought that Anthropic and OpenAI were benefiting a lot from token maxing. That was where enterprises told their employees to use AI and to hell with the cost. But that ended this summer when costs got out of control and companies now had the option to switch to cheaper open weight models. So I assumed that once token maxing ended, growth would slow. Still, there would be growth, but slower. And I think that is what these numbers seem to show. If we go back to the fourth quarter of last year, just before token maxing, Anthropic's quarterly revenue grew sequentially by 43%. Its revenue divided by compute expense was 0.69 times. Then token maxing took off, and so did Anthropic. Q126 and Q226 sequential revenue growth jumped to 135% and then…

Speaker 1

Say you've always wanted to sneak away for a last-minute long weekend in Napa. Here's the thing: if you get smart with your money, you could do things like that. With Empower, you can start making the most out of your money so you can go out and live a little. Isn't that why we work so hard to have…

Steve Eisman

Hi, Steve Eisman here. The most successful businesses in the world share one secret: they know exactly where every dollar goes, what to cut and where to double down. With RAMP, you can see exactly what's happening across the business in real time. RAMP combines corporate cards, expense management…

Speaker 2

Welcome to the Disney Partner Day.

Speaker names come from our own diarization. The position is estimated from where the line sits in the episode.

More from The Real Eisman Playbook