Steven Pinker

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I'm a cognitive scientist in the Department of Psychology at Harvard, who teaches, does research, and writes books on language, mind, and human nature.

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Steven Pinker writes The Michael Shermer Show , writes StarTalk Radio , writes Razib Khan's Unsupervised Learning and writes Persuasion . They have also been a guest on Conversations with Coleman (3 times) , Cato Podcast (3 times) , GD POLITICS (2 times) , Conversations with Tyler (2 times) , In Our Time (BBC) (2 times) , Into the Impossible With Brian Keating (2 times) , Into The Machine (2 times) , Hidden Brain (2 times) , Harvard Business Review (2 times) , New Books in Science (2 times) , Zachary Davis (2 times) , Rule Breaker Investing , Future of Life Institute Podcast , HBR IdeaCast , Lex Fridman Podcast , Human Progress , The Human Progress Podcast , Summation with Auren Hoffman , Climate One , EconTalk , Masters in Business , More or Less , Fix The News , The Works in Progress Newsletter , Bloomberg Intelligence , Harvard Data Science Review Podcast , Orwell News , Free the Inquiry , The Interview , The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie , GZERO World with Ian Bremmer , The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss , 3 Takeaways™ , PRIO's Peace in a Pod , Freakonomics Radio and Think Fast Talk Smart: Communication Techniques .

Recently: “The Things We Don't Say” on Hidden Brain (August 2026); “You are wrong about how wrong the other side is” on Into The Machine (August 2026); “Steven Pinker on Revolutions, Rogue AI, and the Struggle for Reality” on Into The Machine (August 2026); “Aware That Everyone Else Knows” on Harvard Business Review (July 2026); “Steven Pinker on Speculative Bubbles and the Impact of Public Signals” on Harvard Business Review (June 2026); “Evolution Explains the Human Condition” on Persuasion (April 2026).

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“…it is often a hellscape when everyone is honest with everyone else.” — Steven Pinker, Hidden Brain

Hidden Brain played a clip of a radical-honesty advocate describing a life with nothing held back, and Shankar Vedantam asked Pinker whether that works in practice. Pinker's answer was flat: to put it mildly, no. He argues that in a world of total candor there are no relationships left, only transactions, and reaches for Pascal's line that if everyone said what was on their minds there would not be four friends in the world.

Hidden Brain · 2026-08-31 Permalink → Listen →
Hidden Brain Around 40:53 into the episode
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So the idea is being able to be happy and be related to people and not be guarded and careful and protected and afraid of being found out. That's a lousy way to live. It's a better way to live, live out loud, let the chips fall where they may, have a few hard times now and then, but still they get all cleaned up because everybody tells the truth.

Shankar Vedantam

That does sound appealing, Steve. Do you think it always works in practice?

Steven Pinker

To put it mildly, no. That it is often a hellscape when everyone is honest with everyone else. And there are some comedies and science fiction plots that actually play that out for the amusement and sometimes the horror of an audience. But the reason that it doesn't is that this is a world in which there are no social relationships. Everything is transactional. There's no warmth. There's no friendship because all of us constantly have compromising thoughts about even our closest friends. Oh, that was a stupid comment. But blurting those things out just corrodes the tacit assumptions that make a friendship or a romantic relationship or even a stable relationship of respect of a supervisor and a supervisee stable and sustainable. If every thought was blurted out, then there would be no long-term stable relationships of cooperation.

Shankar Vedantam

You cite a French essayist and philosopher from the 17th century who wrote about what would happen if we were all open books. What does Blaise Pascal say?

Steven Pinker

He said that if everyone said what was on their minds, there would not be four friends in the world. And indeed, if there was a hidden microphone in my dining room in the kind of unbuttoned conversations that I have with my wife, my family, my close friends, and that was published tomorrow in the New York Times, I would be in deep trouble, even though I don't really have anything to be ashamed of. I haven't committed a murder or haven't broken any laws. But just the unguarded, honest comments that you make about other people, if voiced, would negate the assumption of infinite mutual respect and generosity that are the basis of friendships and of other relationships, relationships of decorum and cooperation. My favorite example, I don't know if you have a clip from this, was in the romantic comedy movie Tutsi, where in a scene in which the disguised Dustin Hoffman portraying an actress became Comes intimate with a fellow actress on a soap opera played by Jessica Lang, and she confesses to the disguised Dustin Hoffman. You

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know what I wish just once, that a guy could be honest enough just to walk right up to me and say, hey, listen, you know, I'm confused about this too. I could lay a big line on you. We could do a lot of role-playing. But the simple truth is, I find you very interesting, and I'd really like to make love with you.

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