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Tyler Cowen is Holbert L. Harris Professor of Economics at George Mason University and also Faculty Director of the Mercatus Center. He received his PhD in economics from Harvard University in 1987. His book *The Great Stagnation: How America Ate the Low-Hanging Fruit of Modern History, Got Sick, and Will (Eventually) Feel Better* was a *New York Times* best-seller. He was named in an *Economist* poll as one of the most influential economists of the last decade and *Bloomberg Businessweek* dubbed him "America's Hottest Economist." *Foreign Policy* magazine named him as one of its "Top 100 Global Thinkers" of 2011. He co-writes a blog at www.MarginalRevolution.com, hosts a podcast *Conversations with Tyler*, and is co-founder of an online economics education project, MRU.org. He is also director of the philanthropic project Emergent Ventures.

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“Our government is not very good at adopting AI. I don't think that will change rapidly. I work in a university. Progress there is very slow. You could say they're moving backwards. … So I think we have 30 or 40 percent of our economy that just won't flat out make progress at all by 2035, perhaps.” — Tyler Cowen, Interesting Times

Patel asked whether Cowen would be surprised if AI companies were earning over a trillion dollars a year by 2030. Cowen says he would be. He is optimistic about the companies themselves, but thinks slow-moving sectors like government, universities and FDA-regulated medicine will hold back how much AI earns.

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Interesting Times Around 47:15 into the episode

Tyler Cowen

…not. I don't think we'll get there by 2045. I think the human role in integrating the physical and digital worlds will remain. And the fact that people want to deal with humans for many issues, perhaps irrationally, won't go away ever. And I think the Centaur model will persist for decades.

Dwarkesh Patel

Yeah. Do you think that manifests itself in, I'd say, a cap in the maximum amount of revenue you think AI companies can earn without automating knowledge work? If I said, you know, it's 2030 and the AI companies have over a trillion dollars in revenue, are you surprised?

Tyler Cowen

I am. I'm not bearish on the companies, but where the money will come from elsewhere in the economy. So I'm very optimistic about, say, biomedical progress. But I think with clinical trials, the FDA, you know, that can take 10 or 20 years, maybe more. And these other sectors that grow, they're often hindered. Our government is not very good at adopting AI. I don't think that will change rapidly. I work in a university. Progress there is very slow. You could say they're moving backwards. It's just a thing to stamp out because students use it to cheat. So I think we have 30 or 40. Percent of our economy that just won't flat out make progress at all by 2035, perhaps. And then these startups will slowly replace bigger companies, but that too takes a lot of time. And the number of people who can run those startups is pretty constrained. You have to work really hard. You have to be very AI aware. You have to be very smart and so on. I

Dwarkesh Patel

want to understand whether you think it's a lack of capabilities the systems will have, or just that humans will not be inclined to have AIs do jobs that they could, in fact, do. For example, it will be like at Mercatus or something. I assume that there's a lot of people you hire to do work for…

Tyler Cowen

mix of both. I think they'll still be in Mercatus then. Absolutely. But

Dwarkesh Patel

the capabilities will be lacking.

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