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CP Chamath Palihapitiya Chamath Palihapitiya CEO @SocialCapital, Bestie @theallinpod

“I've never seen something in my adult working life where a handful of companies are effectively competing with governments now for capital. … You've never seen companies, in an organized manner, have one very narrow thing that they need money for that is a one-way bet … that attracts the same amount of money that would otherwise go to a traditional two-, three-, four-, five-year bond auction. It's kind of nutty, actually.”

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg · Money & Markets · October 2026

“I've never seen something in my adult working life where a handful of companies are effectively competing with governments now for capital. … You've never seen companies, in an organized manner, have one very narrow thing that they need money for that is a one-way bet … that attracts the same amount of money that would otherwise go to a traditional two-, three-, four-, five-year bond auction. It's kind of nutty, actually.” — Chamath Palihapitiya, All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

Context

Chamath Palihapitiya on the AI companies' borrowing needs through 2027, which he says amount to about 30% of what the Treasury is about to issue. David Friedberg follows by predicting governments will try to regulate compute.

Transcript

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg Around 37:07 into the episode
Jason Calacanis

…This is really dangerous because we're not going to be able to build out the compute we need. And what does that do to the entire industry in the next three to five years if we can't build out this? And how do we turn that narrative around? So people are like, yeah, we should have data centers.

David Friedberg

…And I think one of the ways this is going to play out, to Jamaf's point, is in the near term in capital, there's more capital going to the AI organizations and the government. The governments aren't going to want to let that happen. So they're going to try and stop the data centers because then

Chamath Palihapitiya

I've never seen something in my adult working life where a complex of a handful of companies are effectively competing with governments now for capital because you've never seen companies in an organized manner have one very narrow thing that they need money for that is a one-way bet on something that attracts the same amount of money that would otherwise go to a traditional two three four five-year tenure bond auction it's it's kind of nutty actually the story

David Friedberg

you're going to hear from both sides is a story of which side benefits the people more and that's going to be the narrative argument which is going to be every side's going to say the other side's lying because remember if one side's lying and another side's not lying yeah the side that's not lying…

Jason Calacanis

are for sale. And Dario and Anthropic should start buying just like the right did. Oh,

David Sacks

they already have. I don't see them with

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