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CP Chamath Palihapitiya Chamath Palihapitiya CEO @SocialCapital, Bestie @theallinpod

“Microsoft's revenue went from $198 billion to $332 billion in the last four years, while staff only increased by 2,000 people. … You would have thought before AI that if somebody said we're going to get close to doubling revenues at this kind of scale, you probably would have thought that headcount would have doubled too. And the reality is headcount stayed flat.”

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg · Money & Markets · October 2026

“Microsoft's revenue went from $198 billion to $332 billion in the last four years, while staff only increased by 2,000 people. … You would have thought before AI that if somebody said we're going to get close to doubling revenues at this kind of scale, you probably would have thought that headcount would have doubled too. And the reality is headcount stayed flat.” — Chamath Palihapitiya, All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

Context

Chamath Palihapitiya puts a chart from Microsoft's earnings on screen to argue AI shows up as productivity gains rather than job losses. He says headcount stayed flat while revenue grew by about two thirds.

Transcript

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg Around 26:05 into the episode
David Sacks

measure that? But by the way, I agree with you. The

David Friedberg

…to be more competitive, perhaps with cheaper tokens for cheaper, easier tasks, and then premium tasks, charge a higher price for intelligence and start to stratify the value of the intelligence that they're providing by changing the price points. And I envision that's where everyone's going to go.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Nick, I'm going to show you. This is to Friedberg's point about what is the potential downstream productivity gains that everybody can have theoretically with AI. Just put that on the screen. This is from Microsoft's earnings. My research team put this together. It's really quite incredible. What this shows you is that Microsoft's revenue went from $198 billion to $332 billion in the last four years, while staff only increased by 2,000 people. I mean, isn't that stunning? Like you would have thought before AI that if somebody said, great, we're going to, you know, get close to doubling revenues at this kind of scale, you probably would have thought that headcount would have doubled too. And the reality is headcount stayed flat. And we don't know how many people will take this offer that Microsoft just gave for, you know, to leave…

Jason Calacanis

Okay, so based on this, your premise is they need data centers. If they don't get data centers, it can't keep growing. However, Sachs, the truth is these are the liberal of all liberals in Silicon Valley. It is the largest amount of money that has ever been made by founders outside of Elon Musk. It…

David Sacks

Maybe, but I don't think that's the Democratic Party that we have today. I mean, the old Clinton Democrats, I mean, Bill Clinton Democrats are long gone. I don't think the abundance Democrats are picking up a lot of momentum. I mean, the Democratic Party, as Gavin Dusom said, is becoming…

Jason Calacanis

So you don't need to do much, I think, Freeberg, to scuttle the Trump economy since the war, tariffs, and all that other stuff have driven inflation and all those problems. Wouldn't it be smarter for the Democrats? I mean,

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