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JM James Marriott James Marriott Writer at The Times

“Academics are finding that, for instance, they've spent their whole career assigning books like Middlemarch and Ulysses, and they're having to stop because the kids just can't get through them anymore. … I think it's the 400-word wall, which seems to be that 400 words is often the limit that students struggle to get past.”

Interesting Times · Geopolitics & World Affairs · October 2026

“Academics are finding that, for instance, they've spent their whole career assigning books like Middlemarch and Ulysses, and they're having to stop because the kids just can't get through them anymore. … I think it's the 400-word wall, which seems to be that 400 words is often the limit that students struggle to get past.” — James Marriott, Interesting Times

Marriott was discussing the decline of reading with Mary Harrington. He admits it can sound like "old man shouts at cloud", but argues the collapse in students' ability to read long texts is real and unprecedented.

Transcript

Interesting Times Around 11:45 into the episode
James Marriott

Yes, I think it is. I mean, I think I

Mary Harrington

am, to be honest. I'm not sure I could do it now.

James Marriott

One of my great, my great hubristic moments at university was trying to speed read Paradise Lost, which is even more mad. How long did you give yourself to do it? Not long enough. I have since read it properly. That was even more hubristic than trying to speed read Bleak House or Middlemarch, I think. Yes, I think academics are finding that, for instance, they've spent their whole career assigning books like Middlemarch and Ulysses, and they're having to stop because the kids just can't get through them anymore. There's something that you increasingly hear in these educational circles a phrase, I think it's the 400-word wall, which seems to be that 400 words is often the limit that students struggle to get past. That's apparently how long it takes to read for 90 seconds. You get through about 400 words. And that seems to be the point at which people begin to feel fidgety or need distraction or need to…

Mary Harrington

It would be ironic, but maybe appropriate to cite a meme here, which is one that gets posted online in response to a wall of what people greet as a wall of text, which they just refuse to engage with. And the standard meme that gets posted in response to that is, I ain't reading all of that. I'm…

James Marriott

Yes. The modern response to an English literature degree.

Mary Harrington

I'm reading all that. I'm happy for you. Sorry that happened.

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