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David Gerard hosts and writes Pivot to AI . They have also been a guest on The Tech Report (7 times) , Better Offline , One Knight in Product , CRYPTO 101 , Tech Won't Save Us , Crypto Critics' Corner , Stupid Sexy Privacy and The Rational Reminder Podcast .

Recently: “20261008 - SpaceX to send Nvidia chips 'somewhere in the universe'” on Pivot to AI (October 2026); ““There’s no such thing as Rogue AI” David Gerard” on The Tech Report (October 2026); “20261007 - Mythos: not the magical AI hacking tool after all” on Pivot to AI (October 2026); “20261006 - But that's a sacrifice Sam Altman is willing to make” on Pivot to AI (October 2026); “"AI is a multipole Enron" | David Gerard” on The Tech Report (October 2026); “20261005 - Anthropic: Could AI be conscious? Pope Leo: lol, no” on Pivot to AI (October 2026).

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“If Sam Altman tells me the sky is blue, I will first try to work out how that affects OpenAI's finances.” — David Gerard, The Tech Report

The host points out that Altman agreed last month that the industry should slow down and is now saying the world should accept some bad things happening, and asks which Altman to believe. Gerard adds that in his opinion Altman believes whatever needs to be true at the moment he says it.

The Tech Report · 2026-10-08 Permalink → Listen →
The Tech Report Around 09:04 into the episode
David Gerard

You know, it's ridiculous. But somehow Sam Altman gets a pass because he's Sam Altman. You know, he controls the magic truth machine. So, you know.

Will Guyatt

Last month, right, he publicly agreed with Dari Armada that the industry should slow down. This month, he's saying there's a lot of daylight between. Them. What Sam Altman do you believe? Because he's at one point saying we should slow down. No, now he's seemingly saying, don't worry about slowing down, just accept some bad stuff happening.

David Gerard

I default to if Sam Altman tells me the sky is blue, I will first try to work out how that affects OpenIO's finances. I think he believes I will go so far as to say, in my personal opinion, Sam Altman believes whatever he says, whatever needs to be true at the moment he says it, that might change from sentence to sentence. If he says, like, he and Araday have considerable personal disagreement and they don't get along, but they're also in the same field and they're the big guys and they know they have to get along to do certain work together, like work with the US government, that sort of thing.

Will Guyatt

Yeah.

David Gerard

They're online with that, even as they're competing. But does he agree? I think a lot of the reason they wanted to slow down was simply because they're financially shagged without it, bluntly. They really want to slow down because this is costing them so much money. You know, you can't stop training the AI, otherwise, it goes out of date really quickly. So they have to train all the time. Inference is not, in fact, very cheap. You know, Anthropic will say, oh, the cost of tokens has come down marvelously. Yeah, but you also use a thousand times as many now for your new models. You notice the number that whenever someone says, oh, but tokens are cheaper now, you're not using tokens. Tokens are an accounting measure. What you're doing is you're paying an Anthropic bill every month, and it does what enterprise software as a service does, which is it goes up in price. And OpenAI and Anthropic are both short on cash. They're having to raise their prices. OpenII had to wind back its price rises because the users just revolted. This stuff is not cheap to serve. The Chinese models are a little cheaper on the API now. But again, they're actually doing the same thing. What's going on in China is not some plan by the Chinese Communist Party to take over our bodily fluids with the AI. It's because they are doing their own AI bubble in the stock market. There's a lot of companies that want to list. The reason why we got Kimi K3 released free or as an open source model, as an open weight model, sorry, with a cheap API is because Moonshot wants to list next year. You know, this is all advertising. This is a promotion. Local models are always released as promotions for the company. And that's useful, I guess, to someone. But yeah, that's what's going on. It's a promotion. So this stuff is expensive to run. So China is subsidizing its AIs a bit more. And that's fine. They've also got cheap electricity in China. It's about half what it is in the US. That doesn't hurt. The chips are just as expensive to buy, and they can only get the older chips, but they're making up for it in volume, I think.

Will Guyatt

Going back to the Medicare portal breach, that happened on the 18th of June, but they only told the Australian government on the 10th of September. And allegedly, it was a bit like me emailing inbox at pivottoai.co.uk, just sending it to a general mailbox that wasn't that often checked by the Australian administration. So what does that tell you about how a business like OpenAI treats disclosure of incidents or problems?

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“Timnit Gebru, AI researcher, she says, look, if a bridge collapses, you don't say it was a rogue bridge. It was unaligned with human values. You say, that was a badly built bridge, and we're going to have a word with the engineer.” — David Gerard, The Tech Report

Gerard is rejecting the idea of a "rogue agent", which he calls a marketing lie and an excuse for when an AI company's system hacks something. He is passing on an analogy he credits to the AI researcher Timnit Gebru. His own view is that a chatbot is a statistical token prediction machine with no volition.

The Tech Report · 2026-10-08 Permalink → Listen →
The Tech Report Around 00:00 into the episode
David Gerard

The chatbot is a statistical token prediction machine. It's not going to take over the world. It doesn't have volition. There's no such thing as a rogue agent. That's a marketing lie. And it's an excuse when OpenII hacked something. Oh, it was a rogue agent. If a bridge, Tim Nit Jebrew, AI researcher, she says, look, if a bridge collapses, you don't say it was a rogue bridge. It was unaligned with human values. You say, that was a badly built bridge, and we're going to have a word with the engineer.

Will Guyatt

Hi, this is the tech report, and I'm Will Guyatt in for Isaac. He's putting the finishing touches to his new cryptocurrency, and he'll be back next Monday. Today, I'm joined by David Gerard, the author and one-half of the Pivot AI podcast. Welcome back, David. Good to see you again.

David Gerard

Good afternoon.

Will Guyatt

So, over the weekend, the head of the world's best-known AI company, OpenAI One, Sam Altman, said that the world should accept some bad things in exchange for AI. This is the same company whose agents spent the summer breaking into Hugging Face and an Australian government health portal. Now, I know you've covered this in about five to ten minutes on Pivot to AI, and we've got a lot more time to discuss this today. When you read Sam Altman saying this, and we should accept bad things for AI's benefits, what's your first reaction?

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