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Martin Casado hosts and writes a16z Podcast , hosts and writes AI + a16z , writes a16z and hosts a16z AI Policy Brief . They have also been a guest on The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch (2 times) , The Analytics Engineering Podcast (2 times) , TBPN (2 times) , The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis (2 times) , Invest Like the Best (Patrick O'Shaughnessy) (2 times) , The Engineering Leadership Podcast , The Six Five with Patrick Moorhead and Daniel Newman , Summation with Auren Hoffman , Turpentine VC" | Venture Capital and Investing , The Generalist , Latent Space , Uncapped with Jack Altman and Bold Names . They also write for Martin Casado on Substack.

Recently: “AI Can Write the Code. Can It Run the System? | Grepr CEO Jad Naous” on a16z Podcast (October 2026); “Open data infrastructure and AI agents (George Fraser & Martin Casado)” on The Analytics Engineering Podcast (October 2026); “Investing in TypeSafe AI” on a16z (October 2026); “Investing in doxxnet” on a16z (October 2026); “AI Can Write Code. Why Isn’t Software Better?” on a16z Podcast (September 2026); “AI Can Write Code. Why Isn’t Software Better?” on a16z Podcast (September 2026).

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“It took 20 years and $170 billion of investment to get to worse unit economics than Uber, right? So I think solving real problems where you have to deal with the distribution of the real universe is just much, much harder.” — Martin Casado, a16z Podcast

Casado is arguing that AI will spread like wildfire wherever the solutions look like its training data, as with code and images, and much more slowly where it has to deal with the physical world. His example is self-driving cars, which he remembers being declared around the corner when Sebastian Thrun won the DARPA Grand Challenge while Casado was at Stanford.

a16z Podcast · 2026-10-16 Permalink → Listen →
a16z Podcast Around 55:38 into the episode
Speaker 1

…be much harder, take longer. And I think the economic equivalency is going to be much more difficult. Self-driving is a great example. I remember when Sebastian Thrun won the DARPA Grand Challenge when I was at Stanford. Remember that? And we're like, hooray! Self-driving cars is around the corner.

Jad Naous

Seriously.

Speaker 1

And it took 20 years and $170 billion of investment to get to worse unit economics than Uber, right? So that's, you know, so I think that like solving like solving real problems where you have to deal with the distribution of the real universe is just much, much harder. And so I view as AI as this general. Tool. It's a very effective tool. It's one where, like, you have a distribution of data, and then hopefully you can apply that to like, you know, some problems. And we're going to apply it to a bunch of stuff. And I think economic equilibrium is going to determine what works and what doesn't work because I think it's a very, very general tool. It's like a universal function approximator. And wherever that nets out, I mean, you know,

Jad Naous

one of the things that I said earlier was like how AI was training humans to like use it.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Jad Naous

And I very often think about like, you know, some of the problems that seem intractable was because the world is kind of that way. And then we're trying to fit AI or the tools that we're building to manage the world as it is. But in some situations, we actually tend to change the world to fit to…

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“So much of that is because they have to go through steps. They have to put in wait queues. They have to rate limit because it's actually expensive to provide support. So just to be clear, I think it's a false dichotomy of like AI versus human. I think it's AI versus rate limited human with too much supply, which causes live lock in the system, which is why support sucks.” — Martin Casado, The Analytics Engineering Podcast

George Fraser had said that after an hour on hold, he has sometimes wished he could just talk to an AI. Casado argues that bad customer support is a cost problem: human support is expensive, so companies ration it with queues.

The Analytics Engineering Podcast · 2026-10-15 Permalink → Listen →
The Analytics Engineering Podcast Around 09:21 into the episode
Martin Casado

…you know, the people to add the value on the non-long tail portion of things. And it's the same thing for data. So like your understanding of, you know, your business increases, but there's still basically an infinite amount of work to do. So you want the agents to work on the tail of that work.

George Fraser

…a lot of companies have support that is not that great. Not ours. Our support is fantastic. But I have definitely been on the phone with support at some companies and thought to myself, man, I wish I could just talk to an AI. That would be better. I could get this done. Especially after an hour of

Martin Casado

waiting. By the way, and so much of that is because you do not have like a diminishingly marginal cost of providing support. So much of that is because they have to go through steps. They have to put in wait queues. They have to rate limited because it's actually expensive to provide support. So just to be clear, like I don't think, I think it's a false dichotomy of like AI versus human. I think it's AI versus rate limited human with which too much supply, which causes live lock in the system, which is why support sucks.

George Fraser

Yeah. I think a mistake people often make when evaluating AI as a replacement or adjuvant or neutral, whatever, is they compare it to some hypothetical world where you have an infinite supply of experts who never have a bad day and they don't compare it to the reality of what we get. And so they…

Martin Casado

Totally.

George Fraser

So connecting AIs to your company data, super cool thing that you can do. Companies have a choice about how they do this. A lot of the ones we've been talking about that have been writing about how they've done this, they've built their own final layer to that, right? It's their AI analyst, their…

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