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Chris McGuire

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Chris McGuire has been a guest on ChinaTalk (5 times) , Prof G Markets , The Spillover , The AI Policy Podcast , The AI Power Podcast , TBPN and The President’s Inbox .

Recently: “EMERGENCY POD: Jensen and His Spy” on ChinaTalk (November 2026); “Emergency Pod: Claude Fable Fried + What's Going on at BIS?” on ChinaTalk (June 2026); “The biggest ever loophole in U.S. AI chip export controls on China? With Chris McGuire” on The AI Power Podcast (June 2026); “U.S.-China AI Race Escalates + Chip Bans Aren’t Working + A Lesson From Nuclear Proliferation” on The Spillover (March 2026); “WarTalk: AI, Nukes, Iran and Autonomous War” on ChinaTalk (March 2026); “China's EUV Manhattan Project and Export Control Mythbusting with Chris McGuire” on The AI Policy Podcast (January 2026).

What They Said

“This year alone, the number two, four, and five importers of AI chips are Singapore, Malaysia, and Thailand. And collectively, they've imported $80 billion worth of AI chips just this year. And that's not all necessarily for China, but I'll bet you a lot of it is. This is a consequence of the policy lapses.” — Chris McGuire, ChinaTalk

Discussing what the administration's chip-policy lapses have cost, McGuire gives import figures for three Southeast Asian countries as evidence of diversion risk. He frames the China share as an estimate, not proof.

ChinaTalk · 2026-11-09 Permalink → Listen →
ChinaTalk Around 08:55 into the episode
Chris McGuire

You're right. I mean, I think that actually the, yeah, I, um,

Jordan Schneider

there's not much more to be said.

Chris McGuire

They're not. They're not. Obviously, just like we need to have stronger standards on these things. Right now, this year alone, the number two, four, and five importers of AI chips are Singapore, Malaysia, and Thailand. And collectively, they've imported $80 billion worth of AI chips just this year. And that's not all necessarily for China, but I'll bet you a lot of it is. This is a consequence of the policy lapses. And I think collectively, you're probably seeing that this has resulted in not just these insane scandals regarding the biggest or second biggest right now company in the world, but also the largest technology transfer in history between the United States and any of its adversaries of controlled goods. This is an insane scandal. And why was this allowed to happen? And I think that we don't have…

Jordan Schneider

They could explain it or they could just go away. Yeah, right? You know, it's been two years. Is it going to be more fun the next two years, guys? Are you like looking forward to this? And this is the whole dynamic with the, you know, with the investigations: it's way more fun to investigate people…

Chris McGuire

just change the policy, right? Fix the policy error that results. Resulted in this. Like, that's actually the most important thing that needs to happen, regardless of who does it. Like, and that would actually make some of the noise go away because you could at least say we fixed it. Like, that…

Speaker 3

now, Megaspeed is buying chips today. Still, it is still listed on NVIDIA's website as an official cloud partner.

Speaker names come from our own diarization. The position is estimated from where the line sits in the episode.
“The only place in the world where Chinese companies are legally allowed to buy chips is inside the United States of America.” — Chris McGuire, ChinaTalk

Chris McGuire was listing what the Commerce Department could do on its own to stop AI chip diversion, including a ban on Chinese companies buying chips in the US. He noted that many of Megaspeed's chips appear to have come through a US subsidiary, a loophole that needs no new legislation to close.

ChinaTalk · 2026-11-09 Permalink → Listen →
ChinaTalk Around 20:56 into the episode
Chris McGuire

…of the other loopholes. So, you really, really need the Commerce Department to take those actions themselves. They need to impose license requirements for large-scale AI chip orders globally and for all orders on Southeast Asia. They need to impose restrictions on remote access. They need to ban

Speaker 3

Chinese companies from buying chips in the

Chris McGuire

United States. The only place in the world where Chinese companies are legally allowed to buy chips is inside the United States of America. And actually, most of the chips that Megaspeed got, they seem like they got from this company of Virez that is a subsidiary of Insper. It's the U.S. subsidiary of Insper. And Insper is on the entity list. But you have, you

Speaker 3

know, there's this is insane. Like, you have the entity, the subsidiary of an entity-listed company is legally buying chips inside the United States. So, like, we need commerce to just tighten

Chris McGuire

all this up and just make clear

Speaker 3

like our policy is the president's policy. The president's policy is no black wells to China. We're going to make that clear across the board and make sure that there's no black well access

Speaker names come from our own diarization. The position is estimated from where the line sits in the episode.

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