Derek Thompson

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Journalist and author who spent 17 years at The Atlantic before moving to independent writing on Substack, covering housing, energy, technology and changes in social life. Co-author with Ezra Klein of Abundance, a #1 New York Times bestseller, and author of Hit Makers and On Work. Hosts Plain English with Derek Thompson and publishes the Derek Thompson newsletter. Appears as a guest on shows including The Prof G Pod, The Ezra Klein Show and Lex Fridman Podcast.

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Derek Thompson hosts Plain English with Derek Thompson , hosts and writes Derek Thompson , writes The Argument , writes Prof G Media , writes On the Media , writes The Bulwark , hosts The Ezra Klein Show , writes Paul Krugman Podcast , writes Home Economics , writes Understanding AI , writes Paul Krugman , writes Noahpinion , writes The Political Orphanage , writes Call Me Back - with Dan Senor , writes Richard Hanania's Newsletter , writes 99% Invisible , writes Feed Me , writes The Smerconish Podcast and writes Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast . They have also been a guest on The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway (5 times) , Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing (4 times) , Recode Media (4 times) , The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk (2 times) , The Lawfare Podcast , Lex Fridman Podcast , Prof G Markets , ChinaTalk , The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon Edition , Galaxy Brain , Masters in Business , More or Less , On with Kara Swisher , The Compound and Friends , Animal Spirits Podcast , Y Combinator Startup Podcast , The Logan Bartlett Show , The Bulwark Podcast , Slate Money , a16z Podcast , Possible , The Honest Broker Podcast , Mixed Signals from Semafor Media , Runaway Country with Alex Wagner , The Indicator (Planet Money) , People and Projects Podcast: Project Management Podcast , Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar and Pivot (Kara Swisher & Scott Galloway) .

Recently: “AI Is Smarter Than Ever. So Where’s the Revolution?” on Plain English with Derek Thompson (October 2026); “How Abundance Has Failed and Succeeded” on Plain English with Derek Thompson (October 2026); “I Know Why the Mathematicians Weep” on Derek Thompson (October 2026); “America’s Crisis of Social Connection, With Adam Grant” on Plain English with Derek Thompson (October 2026); “Why Americans Stopped Falling in Love” on Derek Thompson (October 2026); “Derek Thompson and Adam Carlson: The Republicans' Strength Is Now Their Weakness” on The Bulwark Podcast (October 2026).

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“Imagine if we learned that the American academic community developed a disease such that they had a chronic fatigue disorder and had to sleep for 30% of the year. … We'd say, well, God, we have to cure this disease. In this case, we made the disease. The disease is the paperwork that we're forcing these scientists to fill out.” — Derek Thompson, Plain English with Derek Thompson

Thompson notes that American scientists spend an average of 30 to 40% of their time on grant paperwork. He made the point while he and Josh Harder were discussing prior authorization in healthcare and the case for cutting bureaucracy that eats professionals' time.

Plain English with Derek Thompson · 2026-10-16 Permalink → Listen →
Plain English with Derek Thompson Around 35:56 into the episode
Derek Thompson

…that we have to talk about a subject as electrifying as prior off? And you said, yes, Derek Thompson what we're going to talk about. So the floor is yours. Tell me everything and start simple. What is prior authorization? Why does it matter? Why isn't it working? What's the plan to make it better?

Josh Harder

…somebody who's known for pushing the boundaries a little bit more, then that should actually go for scrutiny. But we can create some real gains here and lower the cost to our healthcare system. At the same time, we're actually getting patients what they need much faster than they're getting today.

Derek Thompson

…out paperwork, which requires something much less than a genius mind. I think that the way that we put it is like, imagine if it became, if we learned that the American academic community developed a disease such that they had a chronic fatigue disorder and had to sleep for 30% of the year. They only really woke up into April or May of any given year. What would we say about our science system? We'd say, well, God, we have to cure this disease. In this case, we made the disease. The disease is the paperwork that we're forcing these scientists to fill out. So similarly, I am a huge fan of finding ways to reduce bureaucracy that is taking incredibly special professionals, doctors and scientists, giving them back their time so they can do major work, discover cures to diseases, and actually treat patients. I think it's a really lovely idea. There's another idea. Go ahead.

Josh Harder

The incredible part about that is not just that we're taking people who we've invested decades in their education, but that less than 10% of the grant application that they're spending so much of their time on is the actual science. The other 90% is the budget. It's about the facilities. It's…

Derek Thompson

I know you're also interested in funding research to discover alternative uses for cheap generic drugs that have already been approved. And this, I think, is a really clever idea. It's going to sound wonky, but there's real precedent for this. I believe during COVID, researchers realized that, was…

Josh Harder

Right. This is really a hole in our patent system and the way that we incentivize drug development across the United States. And you can think about it in terms of both all of the drugs that are off patent, right? I mean, we have like quite literally thousands and thousands of drugs that maybe they…

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