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Scaling Laws

Scaling Laws explores (and occasionally answers) the questions that keep OpenAI’s policy team up at night, the ones that motivate legislators to host hearings on AI and draft new AI bills, and the ones that are top of mind for tech-savvy law and policy students. Co-hosts Alan Rozenshtein, Professor at Minnesota Law and Research Director at Lawfare, and Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas and Senior Editor at Lawfare, dive into the intersection of AI, innovation policy, and the law through regular interviews with the folks deep in the weeds of developing, regu...

Website ↗ Last published 27 October 2026 259 posts collected by Sputnik

Said on Scaling Laws

“Speed cameras, there's no controversy. They clearly save lives. People hate these things, just absolutely loathe them. … And I think the reason is just that they apply to everyone and everywhere.” — Matthew Tokson, Scaling Laws
Matthew Tokson · 13 Oct 2026 Listen →
“If we don't have at least some sort of public consultation through LLMs right now, what we're going to get is the tyranny of Silicon Valley CEOs and a few experts and maybe a few government heads around the world. Is that really the best we can do? I don't think so.” — Hélène Landemore, Scaling Laws
Hélène Landemore · 6 Oct 2026 Listen →
“In a lot of non-expert spaces there is a belief that trust and safety isn't going very well online because everybody is trying insufficiently hard. … The darker conclusion is that people have tried pretty hard and this is the best we've got for you. Fundamentally we're bad at this because we're not good at doing it, not because we're secretly good at doing it and holding out on everybody because CEOs love being yelled at by senators.” — Dave Willner, Scaling Laws
Dave Willner · 29 Sep 2026 Listen →
“If I go to a circus and the circus has a lion and the lion escapes and hurts me, I don't sue the lion. I sue the circus… It's not because the lion doesn't have intentionality — it does, or some sense of autonomy. It's because the corporation had a dangerous thing and knew it had a dangerous thing.” — Chloé Bakalar, Scaling Laws
Chloé Bakalar · 22 Sep 2026 Listen →
“…we have a lot of Steve Wozniaks running around, but not many Steve Jobs. And without Steve Jobs, there would be no Apple.” — Matt Abrams, Scaling Laws
Matt Abrams · 18 Aug 2026 Listen →

Hosts

Scaling Laws is hosted by Quinta Jurecic , Evelyn Douek , Kevin Frazier , Alan Rozenshtein , Alina Polyakova , Kate Klonick , Benjamin Wittes , Nathan Labenz and Eugenia Lostri .

Recent Episodes

  1. 27 Oct 2026

    Live at Univ. of Oregon: AI and State Governments with Nik Blosser

    With Nik Blosser

  2. 20 Oct 2026

    Roadshow at North Dakota Law: Justice Jerod Tufte on AI in the Judiciary

    With Jerod Tufte

  3. 13 Oct 2026

    Scaling Laws Live at Nebraska Law: Matt Tokson on AI Surveillance

    With Matthew Tokson

  4. 6 Oct 2026

    Hélène Landemore on Public Participation in AI Governance

    With Hélène Landemore

  5. 29 Sep 2026

    Child Safety AI Policy at Scale with Vaishnavi J and Dave Willner

    With Vaishnavi Jay and Dave Willner

  6. 22 Sep 2026

    Live from Columbia Law with Chloé Bakalar: What can constitutions teach us about governing AI?

    With Chloé Bakalar and Eliza Steffen

  7. 15 Sep 2026

    Is Meta's Oversight Board a Model for AI Governance

    With Kenji Yoshino

  8. 8 Sep 2026

    Algorithmic Disgorgement with Christina Lee [Live From LawAI's Workshop on Law-Following AI]

    With Christina Lee

  9. 1 Sep 2026

    Building AI Assurance Ecosystem with Bri Treece (PACT AI) and Dr. Rob Slone (UL Solutions)

    With Bri Treece and Rob Slone

  10. 28 Aug 2026

    Founders & Founders: Brandon Mitchell of WriteSea

    With Brandon Mitchell

  11. 25 Aug 2026

    AI Consciousness with Anil Seth

    With Anil Seth

  12. 18 Aug 2026

    Matt Abrams on Trust and the Migration to the Digital Age

    With Matt Abrams

Guests

Matt Perault (7 episodes), Alex Stamos (5 episodes), Ramya Krishnan (4 episodes), Dean Ball (4 episodes), Alex Abdo (4 episodes), Kate Starbird (3 episodes), Brendan Nyhan (3 episodes), Renee DiResta (3 episodes), Jacob Schulz (3 episodes), Nate Persily (3 episodes), Neil Chilson (3 episodes), Ravi Iyer (2 episodes), and 249 more.