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EG Ed Grosvenor Ed Grosvenor On Artisan Beer

“You cannot create a SaaS like Nightwatch without having people pay per event. … Small businesses have websites up where there's not necessarily a strong correlation between requests and revenue, so you very quickly get priced out. And then the clients have this big blind spot: I'm paying all this money for this monitoring tool, but it's only getting one fiftieth of a percent of my requests.”

Artisan Beer · Laravel Ecosystem · October 2026

“You cannot create a SaaS like Nightwatch without having people pay per event. … Small businesses have websites up where there's not necessarily a strong correlation between requests and revenue, so you very quickly get priced out. And then the clients have this big blind spot: I'm paying all this money for this monitoring tool, but it's only getting one fiftieth of a percent of my requests.” — Ed Grosvenor, Artisan Beer

Grosvenor on why he built Hone, a self-hosted backend for Laravel Nightwatch telemetry. Per-event pricing makes sense for the vendor, but it pushes small sites into sampling so little traffic that the monitoring stops being useful.

Transcript

Artisan Beer Around 00:00 into the episode
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Ed (00:01) Okay, I I think we're live. Peter (00:03) think we're live too. Th there was a c I saw a countdown. That was cool. Ed (00:07) Yeah. I assume that means that we're recording now. So how are things? Peter (00:14) So how are things? do you wanna intro the podcast first? Ed (00:19) sure. Yeah, this is this is Artisan Beer. This is kind of a thing that I've been wanting to get started for I don't know. I think I registered the domain two years ago. it's just casual conversation over a beer or coffee, depending on the time of day and you know, personal preferences. I do have a beer. Peter (00:39) Mm. Man, I'm jealous. Ed (00:41) gonna l let you know dark dirty secret. It is nine fifty one in the morning and this is an NA beer, but I I wanted to stay on brand for this, Peter, you and I talk once a week about what we're doing, the kind of things that we're working on, things that we're seeing in the industry. And then when we were talking earlier this week I said, you know what, we should just record these talks because you know, I think there's some Peter (01:04) Yeah. Ed (01:05) some good stuff in here that other people would really enjoy. So we decided to try this out…

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