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Sarah Friar writes OpenAI . They have also been a guest on Squawk on the Street (5 times) , Masters of Scale (3 times) , Mad Money w/ Jim Cramer (2 times) , Squawk Pod (2 times) , The Room Podcast , All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg , Bloomberg Tech , Inside the Strategy Room , Grit , OpenAI Podcast , Greymatter , NFX , Decoder with Nilay Patel , Grey Matter with Declan Kelly: Inside the Minds of the People Who Move the World , TBPN , View From The Top , Invest Like the Best (Patrick O'Shaughnessy) and Pivot (Kara Swisher & Scott Galloway) .

Recently: “Reid Hoffman and OpenAI CFO Sarah Friar on where AI goes from here” on Masters of Scale (October 2026); “Sarah Friar: What is Experience Worth in the Age of AI? | Grey Matter with Declan Kelly” on Grey Matter with Declan Kelly: Inside the Minds of the People Who Move the World (September 2026); “The full stack behind abundant intelligence” on OpenAI (August 2026); “What building an AI-native finance function taught me” on OpenAI (August 2026); “A scorecard for the AI age” on OpenAI (July 2026); “OpenAI CFO Sarah Friar: IPO, AI Rivalries, New Device, and Spending $100B+ on Compute” on All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg (June 2026).

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“Right now, we have paced the frontier most recently by actually holding back our most powerful model, partially because we want to make sure the safety and alignment is at a place where our researchers have a time to really think it through. That model is the model that solved the Navier-Stokes Millennium Math problem.” — Sarah Friar, Masters of Scale

Asked how OpenAI makes room for big-picture thinking, Friar described "pacing the frontier." She said the company is holding back its strongest model on safety and alignment grounds, and gave her own account of what it has achieved. She tied the fluid-dynamics result to more efficient data center cooling and less water use.

Masters of Scale · 2026-10-22 Permalink → Listen →
Masters of Scale Around 08:23 into the episode
Speaker 3

…way to get those vulnerabilities fixed before the offense discovers them. And so happy to announce today that we've done that work. Is the work done? Definitely not. Is the bar going to keep getting raised? Absolutely. But yeah, the age of AI. I mean, I'm grateful to be alive. Yeah, what a time

Speaker 4

…to think about the big questions, to make the space for that. So how do you do that? How does OpenAI do that, given that the questions here are like the invention of electricity, the invention of the printing press? So how do you make that space for these kind of important, very big thoughts?

Speaker 3

Yeah, and happening at the printing press or electricity happened a little bit at a much slower pace. Although I bet if you lived then, you thought it was an incredible pace, by the way. To make the space, I mean, we've used a phrase called pacing the frontier. And pacing the frontier is really about, as we think about safety and alignment, giving our researchers and our whole company and the world to some degree time to digest, like what are the implications. So right now, we have paced the frontier most recently by actually holding back our most powerful model, partially because we want to make sure it's the safety and alignment is at a place where our researchers have a time to really think it through. That model is the model that solved the Navier-Stokes Millennium Math problem and also about 350 more theorems have certainly moved along from a theoretical proof perspective. What I think a lot about internally, where I try to make the space is theories are great and we need to work closely with the scientific community on that. But what does it actually mean in practice? Like, you know, I was a…

Speaker 4

Yeah. Well, one of the key things is trust, because trust in all institutions is at an all-time low, right? I mean, it's actually disastrous for society. It's disastrous for us functioning. And obviously it makes business itself difficult. But given AI and given the problem is, is that most people…

Speaker 3

Yeah. So first of all, trust is earned. It doesn't just fall down on you like manna from heaven. It is earned. So it takes time and it's grindy because, you know, I always call it you're filling the bucket because we all, things will happen where you take, I always tell my kids, like you'll take…

Speaker 4

You're in trouble.

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“I tell finance people all the time: if you don't realize you're in sales, you are losing because you need to go sell. You need to sell an annual plan. You need to go sell a change to a number. You need to sell a budget.” — Sarah Friar, Masters of Scale

OpenAI's CFO, speaking with Reid Hoffman, said people with finance job titles use ChatGPT for finance only about a quarter of the time, with another quarter going to engineering and another to marketing. She said she has coded more in the last two months than when she was an engineer.

Masters of Scale · 2026-10-22 Permalink → Listen →
Masters of Scale Around 19:50 into the episode
Speaker 3

No, no. No, I bought it off the shelf. Get it five times.

Speaker 4

…takes, you know, and it's like, no, no, that's a question of mindset, how you approach it, how you engage it. So, how, how do you think about how the world at large, not just the builders of these amazing AI, should think about their agency and how should they kind of embody their agency with AI?

Speaker 3

…free to now build sites, to build like whether it's for fun stuff, to professional stuff, in a way that, you know, I've done more coding in the last two months than from one way back on when I actually was an engineer. And now the coding language for me is English. I just talk to my computer. I don't even tippy tap anymore. So 25% is engineering. 25% is marketing, which gladdens my heart because I tell finance people all the time: if you don't realize you're in sales, you are losing because you need to go sell. You need to sell an annual plan. You need to go sell a change to a number. You need to sell a budget. You really need to sell a budget. Particularly at OpenAI, keeping people to a budget is sales motion in and of itself. So people's jobs are really changing. Again, sorry, because Dublin is very fresh in my mind. I did an invent on Monday night. You know, I have a nonprofit on the side that I do with an amazing co-founder called Ladies Who Launch. So it was about 250 to 300 women in the room. And…

Speaker 4

100%. So we only have a couple of minutes left. And by the way, thank you for the gymnastics I know you did on your calendar in order to get here and be with us.

Speaker 3

For you, it's always worth it.

Speaker 4

No. But I actually think it's worth sharing where are you going to next and why?

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