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Codie Sanchez

Things Codie Says on Podcasts

Wrote a book about founders who can't let go of the companies they built, arguing on Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin that being indispensable is a dependency, not a work habit.

Where to Find Them

Codie Sanchez hosts and writes BigDeal , writes The Burnouts with Phoebe & Sophia and writes Book Club with Michael Smerconish . They have also been a guest on The Pomp Podcast (6 times) , Young and Profiting with Hala Taha (Entrepreneurship, Sales, Marketing) (5 times) , The Daily Stoic (3 times) , The Think Media Podcast (3 times) , The GaryVee Audio Experience (3 times) , Creator Science with Jay Clouse (2 times) , Real Estate Rockstars Podcast (2 times) , The Money Mondays (2 times) , Founder's Story (2 times) , So Money with Farnoosh Torabi (2 times) , Wealthy Way (2 times) , My First Million (2 times) , BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast (2 times) , Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips (2 times) , The Martell Method w/ Dan Martell , The Nathan Barry Show , The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill , The Russell Brunson Show , The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway , REAL AF with Andy Frisella , One Rental At A Time , The Jasmine Star Show , The Graham Cochrane Show , Acquisitions Anonymous - #1 for business buying, selling and operating , The Intrinsic Value Podcast - The Investor’s Podcast Network , Jomana Al Ahmad , the neelhome show , Marketing Against The Grain , The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk , Brew Markets , Networth and Chill with Your Rich BFF , Dropping Bombs , eComFuel Podcast , The Knowledge Project (Shane Parrish) , The Hard Fork by Marvin Liao , Level Up Newsletter , The Startup Ideas Podcast , The My Wife Quit Her Job Podcast With Steve Chou , The StoryBrand Podcast , The Hustle Daily Show , Cannabis Tech Talks , Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin and Masters of Scale .

Recently: “You Aren’t Burned Out, Your Systems Are Just BROKEN” on BigDeal (September 2026); “Rapid Response: Stop creating businesses. Buy one instead, with Codie Sanchez” on Masters of Scale (September 2026); “The #1 Skill Every High Performer Has (And Every Quitter Lacks)” on BigDeal (September 2026); “#1 CEO Coach: Effort Isn't What Makes You Rich, Do This Instead | Joe Hudson” on BigDeal (September 2026); “If You Want To Make More Money, Avoid These 7 Mistakes” on BigDeal (September 2026); “How To Forgive When They’re Not Sorry | It’s Not a Principle Unless It Costs You Something” on The Daily Stoic (September 2026).

What They Said

“If the average small business owner makes $65,000 a year, well, that's less than minimum wage in California and less than even the median income in the U.S.” — Codie Sanchez, Masters of Scale

Sanchez was arguing that entrepreneurs have trauma-bonded over how hard business is, when the real problem is that most small businesses aren't profitable enough for the difficulty to be worth it. It sits inside her wider pitch on the episode: don't start a business, buy one. She puts the SBA loan failure rate at under 13% over ten years against roughly 90% for startups.

Masters of Scale · 2026-09-26 Permalink → Listen →
Masters of Scale Around 09:26 into the episode
Codie Sanchez

Yeah, it's really just another liability that you have to pay for every single month and that holds you to a job maybe that you don't like or something that you are not sure you want to do. And so when you have a lot of money, great, own houses. And I know that sounds elitist, but when you don't have a lot of money, I would bet on yourself all day and increase your cash flow so nobody can own you.

Bob Safian

You alluded to this when you talked about sort of the motivation for this book versus the first book. Like owning a business can trap you as easily as it frees you. And I know that founders I talk to, I'm sure you hear this all the time too. Like, if I known how hard it was, I never would have started this. You know, is it better sometimes not to know how hard it is?

Codie Sanchez

Well, one, I think that we have all gotten sort of trauma bonded over entrepreneurship. It doesn't sound very fun if I come on here and say, actually, business is going pretty good. We're making a lot of money. I'm having a good time. Things are going well. It's kind of gross. And so it's almost like the reverse of the casino. In the casino, they only tell you when they win. In business, they only really like talking about the difficulty or hardships or when they've raised a bunch of outside venture capital. And so I think for most small business owners, yes, it's hard, but they kind of love the game. Like it's an addictive game to play. The problem is that they aren't profitable. Everything's more fun when you're making money. And so if the average small business owner makes $65,000 a year, well, that's less than minimum wage in California and less than even the median income in the U.S. And so we've got to figure out how to have profitable businesses because then the pain and difficulty is a lot easier to manage.

Bob Safian

What are the, I don't know, the mistakes or the traps that folks who are, you know, running their own businesses are running themselves into. It's not that they're not working hard. They're not working on. The right things?

Codie Sanchez

Yeah. If you look at the, you know, dispersion of returns, basically the top 10 to 20% of companies, they're like 30x more profitable than the lower companies. What we've seen is that most business owners, they don't run on systems. And even I see it in my business. I mean, I just had to let go of two employees. And the reason why, these are execs, serious people making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year because I couldn't get them to use a system. They wanted to cowboy it because cowboying it as a business owner feels good.

Bob Safian

By cowboy it, you mean sort of just like wing it. You just make the decision based on what you're feeling like.

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“You want to be a hero because it tastes like heroin. It is the most addictive substance in the world to feel needed.” — Codie Sanchez, Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin

Sanchez came on to discuss her book about founders who cannot let go of the companies they built. She casts the pull of being indispensable as a dependency rather than a work habit, which is also how the episode frames the diagnostic question of whether you are addicted to your own business. The line opens the episode, ahead of a conversation about buying boring businesses.

Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin · 2026-08-31 Permalink → Listen →
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin Around 01:13 into the episode
Codie Sanchez

You don't need to be smart or brilliant or remember everything to run a really profitable business. You need named frameworks and systems that you can steal from other people in order to take their 10,000 hours and apply it to you.

Nicole Lapin

You know Cody Sanchez as the woman who made buying a laundromat sound cooler than launching a startup. She built contrarian thinking by shouting from the rooftops that boring businesses are the most overlooked path to wealth in America. Today she talks about the thesis of her new book, Own or Be Own, and how to tell if you're addicted to your own business.

Codie Sanchez

If you are a founder and you are trying to be a hero all the time, you will eventually do as Spider-Man says you'll become the villain. You want to be a hero because it tastes like heroin. It is the most addictive substance in the world to feel needed.

Nicole Lapin

We talk about how conventional rise and grind advice is complicated for pregnant women.

Codie Sanchez

There was many a day where I was laying on the floor of my little office and really just thinking, if I don't have the business established, I should not establish a baby. And that was because there weren't other women around me that I saw doing it.

Nicole Lapin

And the step-by-step playbook, if you're thinking about buying a boring business.

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